--- In [email protected], "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > Bob, nobodies stake in the movement is or was as high as the 
> > Kaplains. Therefore you have no right to judge them. They gave 
> more 
> > than anyone, and all they wanted was one single promise to come 
> true. 
> > >
> > 
> > **********
> > 
> > When you go to Disneyland and get on a E-ticket ride (maybe E 
> tickets 
> > are passe, who knows), you stay on the ride til the end for 
> complete 
> > satisfaction. The Ks left -- too bad for them, but they were 
fools.
> > 
> > The Ks could have been 200percenters, rich and enlightened, but 
> like 
> > stereotypical snotty rich kids, they threw a tantrum, made a lot 
> of 
> > faces, and left with their baseball glove, instead of sticking 
> around and helping the movement to grow.
> 


> Bob, it sounds like you are saying that is the Kaplans had stayed 
> longer then they definitely would have become enlightened (whatever 
> that means). What about all the people who faithfully followed MMY 
> until their deaths, did they achieve complete satisfaction, did 
they 
> all achieve a state of enlightenment? What are you talking about 
> here?
> 
> Rick Carlstrom
> 
>  

Death is no barrier to evolution, as MMY notes in his commentary on 
verses 40-41 of Ch. 6 of the Gita. Regarding your question concerning 
what enlightenment means, that's not exactly a mystery except on this 
list: it means that one has gained unlimited awareness, and never 
relinquishes it, not in sleep (or any other state), not in death of 
the body. 




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