Re: [FairfieldLife]

[Llundrub]

1) What, exactly, are the pundits supposed to be paid, beyond room and board? ---Something. Out of respect for services offered so that they will remain and share their expertise later. Which if the Movement would have done the same thing for all its teachers they would more likely have been here now.   2) As long as the young students are old enough to be practicing the sidhis, and have been trained in whatever it is they're supposed to be doing, I don't see why its any big deal that they're youngsters.   ----Just explaining that the Movement can only get untrained help.   3) It's impossible to prove any scientific theory. The best you can hope for is corraborating evidence. It's very difficult to conduct large-scale studies on something like this anyway, and while I'm reasonably certain that there is a 'file folder effect" [carefully filing away studies that don't find an effect, rather than publishing them], that doesn't mean that there isn't an effect. And what does "human cognition" have to do with the Maharishi Effect?   Arguing is fun but are you saying that human cognition has nothing to do with the claimed macroscopic brainwave coherence that ME is supposed to whatever?   Science is effective enough at least to be duplicatable. Are you saying that...shit never mind. "It's impossible to prove any scientific theory." Whatever. 2x     4) What the heck are you talking about?   ----I was talking about mutual respect being the basis for any lasting peace not some supplied coherence which as MMY is now saying just amplifies the viper.       5) I'm sorry if farting and people drinking water drove people away. On my sidhis course 20ish years ago, we definitely noted that swamp gas might be the main ingredient for getting off the ground during Yogic Flying, and I've always tried to do my farting before starting my program but sometimes it doesn't work that way.   ---I'm just saying, farting and making noise and other such things like having smelley feet and other disrespectful things lead to conditions which turn people off as do proclamations of the viperousness of others and other damning speech, and that such things are the basis for many not practicing TM and so one cannot look at TM and brainwave coherence, and pundit movements in a vacuum, as no such vacuum conditions exist on this planet. One should in wisdom or respect of others minimize such things. I am saying that mutual respect is a prerequisite to world peace and even a prerequisite to the continuation of TMO altogether.     6) Again, not sure what you're talking about: I managed to practice TM while in USAF basic training, which is certainly not a place conducive to respect or to sitting for any length of time with your eyes closed. Certainly, its harder to make time to practice meditation if society doesn't respect the practice, but Maharishi Mahesh Yogi almost single-handedly changed Western attitudes about meditation, IMHO, so I think whatever blockages you're finding towards maintaining regular practice are due to internal issues, not external ones.   ----The blockages are such things as work, play, life, and whatever else I feel like doing.  These are not blockages (TM jargon, which has no weight at this late date anywhere)but life. My point was that TM is for me, I'm not for it.  The USAF at least has a tolerance for religious belief in its constitution, which is a sign of respect for diversity, hence a mutual respect.     7) as to whether or not meditation or group Yogic Flying or whatever program-du-jour Maharishi is calling for can have an effect on the rest of the world... Who can say? But I still don't see where this "mutual respect" issue comes in. If the pundits are doing their thing and it has an effect, then it has an effect whether or not you're getting the respect you think that you deserve.   ----I don't recall this being about me per se.  Can you point that line out where I was begging for respect. Such ad hominum attacks are sort of weak.   If you're not, then go someplace where you do. What else can I say?   ----Well, according to MMY that would be in a place like Cuba. Thanks for the parlay. I've heard all your epiphanies before elsewhere and so you're a rather easy sparring partner. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm not convinced that the pundits are slaves, and I fail to see how the Maharishi Effect can > be denounced as something not worth achieving because there's no mutual respect > involved in the process. > > ----There are no groups of trained pundits because they are not paid. What groups of pundits might exist are, as has been ascertained through eye witnesses, groups of young pundits who don't question people's decisions. See or fail to see. Imagine what you like. > > ----The Maharishi effect has not been proven because the Movement relys on pseudoscience.  All notions of some coherence effect based on superconductivity and entropy apply to closed systems and human consciousness is not a closed system, therefore no coherence or entropy can be predicted. If anything, human cognition is more sporadic than the weather. Sem proves this with a punctuation. > > ----Finally, respect has much to do with why the Fairfield community has ceased to grow. Lack of respect for one another by the Movement lead to people leaving and therefore coherence, as if, has declined. > > > There's no mutual respect involved in practicing TM, either. It seems to me that the > process under which the alleged ME operates is completely different than things like > "mutual respect" and the like. > > ----From a TM dynamics there is the mutual respect of inward and outward 'strokes.' The supression of one or the other os which would prevent the 'effortlessness' of the technique. > > ----One can't have the peace to sit still if no mutual respepct is considered. People uncapping hot water bottle all through the Domes or farting uncessantly was a lack of respect that made people stay away. Respect is at the heart of all things. In fact, transcendence itself could be called the respect of the awareness. Support of nature could be called mutual respect for that respect given.  > > ----Damn Lawson, you made me forget what I meant in the first place by this post, and that was this, that without mutual respect of society, one can't even self reflect because no condition will support it. Previously in the world people were burned and tortured for merely having a different thought much less for practicing a whole sitting meditating technique. Even now kids with the propensity towards spiritual practice are considered psycho and given drugs. > > ----What there is no proof of is how peace of mind and freedom from war can be had without mutual respect. 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