The TMO stopped using metabolic rate as a measure of rest during TM 
ages ago...

--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What about the tummo meditators that use considerable effort in 
their 
> meditation but have 4 times lowers metabolic rate than TM?
> 
> It's a mistake to try to compare different types of meditation by 
the 
> same criteria used for TM, unless you happen to be comparing to 
other 
> forms of mantra yoga...  Different types of meditation work 
> differently.
> 
> 
> On May 20, 2005, at 11:28 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote:
> 
> > I feel that we are all in the process of learning effortlessness, 
and
> > the importance of intention on the path to realization.
> > The more we transcend and experience pure consciousness, presence 
as
> > Eckhart Tolle, likes to call it, the more effortless our life 
becomes.
> > It is only the egoic part of our mind, that think it needs to make
> > effort. When we transcend the ego mind, and experience the 
universal
> > mind, then effort becomes a meaningless concept. Does, this make 
sense.
> > By the way, the ego, or mind can never understand this concept, 
which
> > is why enlightenment is a state of consciousness and not a nice 
story
> > for the mind to contemplate.




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