> --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > IME Zen is more effortless than TM since one does nothing with mind. > > It's a very "bare" attention, no intention per se. I particularly > liked > > their walking meditation....what a great way to integrate.
Vaj has quoted a reference indicating just how subtle "effort" can be. Now let's check on some of the practices that he has endorsed: Of course there is the intention to do the zen meditation, to set up the conditions and start it. Surely this applies to "walking meditation." There is also the effort of attention, whether this is attention on a part (e.g. the breath, the thoughts, or whatever), or attention on the whole (i.e. the entire range of present experience all at once). Attention is not effortless. Other practices that involve intention and attention include purposefully generating bliss, and noticing the emptiness that bliss rides on. Therefore, these practices also involve effort. Maybe that's not a bad thing. These could be worthwhile practices. Maybe this whole debate about what's "effortless" is rather "pointless." That's all the effort that I can put in on this today. I've got to run off so I can spend a couple of hours being effortless. ;) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
