Unc, are you a tantric? I think tantric Buddhists seek to understand both order and chaos as both empty. People wonder how I can worship Siva and Mahalakshmi and still be Buddhist. Where's the contradiction from within tantra where all is empty?  So long as one doesn't take refuge in them? Or if one takes refuge in them as the Buddha?  There should be no confusion, but these things are hard to explain. The Nyingma sees Samantabhadra in all.  The Hindu sees Krishna, Kali, Shiva, etc. I would like to say that the Christian sees Christ in all but they don't, I would like to think the Jew sees Jehovah in all but they don't. I would like to say the Islamic sees Allah in all but they don't.  If ones sees the absolute in all then they must also see it in chaos as well. This is why the tantras are both left and right.
----- Original Message -----
From: TurquoiseB
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 3:57 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: desire for God

Replying to my own post.  Tacky, I know, but...

> > An Occam's razor approach would dispense with such
> > elaborations.
>
> "Elaborations?"  Nothing could possibly *be* more "Occam's
> razor" than karma.  It is the simplest of all possible
> descriptions of the mechanics of the universe.  It is
> the more deity-oriented or "exceptions to the rules"
> approaches that are more elaborate and strained.

Correction.  There is one more Occam's razor approach,
and that is chaos.  While I consider it possible, it
doesn't jibe with my subjective experiences of the
simple explanation of karma + free will.

> > Consequently I'm attracted
> > to Buddhism as a way of life but to the Gita as my guiding
> > philosophy. But perhaps you can disentagle my confusion?
>
> I doubt it.  I'm still working on disentangling mine.  :-)

On the other hand, as someone once put it so well,
"Confusion is just enlightenment in drag."  :-)

Unc






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