Given MMY & TMO's unethical behaviour over money, treatment of individuals and whole meditator communities (UK's being the latest)it would be REMARKABLE if in the scientific "front" everything was all above board after all. Thus all the scientific claims not replicated by truly independent researchers remain suspect, including the Maharishi Effect & its square root variant. However the latter is such a mind boggling claim that we'd all love to see it be true, for sure! I still hope that whatever is happening with the pundits group is for real, in spite of all my criticisms of MMY & his TMO. But the introduction of yagyas etc into the equation has blurred the importance of the Maharishi Effect per se. What would happen, for instance, if MMY ditched TM and yogic flying groups altogether and just amplified the Yagya Effect on its own? Is that in fact what is making the difference now?
I say this because MMY was recently urging the Indian government to use public funds to finance huge yagya "performances" throughout India - even non TMO ones presumably. Of course being a basically SECULAR country the use of money raised through taxes in this way would be unconstitutional.. but the currently celebrated "effect" is no longer a "Maharishi Effect" but more an alleged "Yagya Effect" ? --- In [email protected], "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My suspicion is that most people here have a gut feeling that groups > of people thinking in a certain way or meditating together in a > certain way do have an effect on the planet. I think that the real > gripe arrises from people being tired of the TMO playing fast and > loose with the data to substantiate their claims. After a while even > the most supportive of people start to weary of the smiley face > presentation of almost but not quite proven science as fact. In the > scientific community almost is not even close and credibility is > easily lost. Sometimes it seems that public relations is the TMO's > greatest enemy.(understatement?) > > Rick Carlstrom > > > > --- In [email protected], "George DeForest" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > . > > > > > Peter Sutphen wrote: > > > > > > MMY was never truly interested in a field > > > effect of meditators, but only something > > > "scientific" sounding to promote TM. > > > I don't see him doing this insidiously, > > > but he wanted certain results and > > > got those results from his "scientists." > > > > and yet, there are a few science guys at MUM > > who are quite serious in their dual role both > > as Maharishi's defenders, and as "serious" > > professional scientists. > > > > such people, who truly believe in their own > > scientific work, includes: Skip Alexander, > > David Orme-Johnson, Alaric Arenander, > > Fred Travis, Robert Schneider, Nancy Lonsdorf, > > Veronica Butler, and the granddaddy of them > > all, Keith Wallace. > > > > In fact, Keith has a new book coming out now > > "Victory Before War" co-written with Fairfield > > attorney Jay Marcus. > > > > see more about the new book at: > > http://victorybeforewar.com > > > > which includes excerpts! > > > > -- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
