on 5/24/05 8:08 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> <<<
>> Bob Brigante calls me a moron and other things quite regularly. It
> doesn't
>> bother me for several reasons.
>  1. I love the guy. Despite our differences, I admire him in many
> ways.>>
> 
> Do you love mdixon's war that has killed so many , and just this
> morning a bomb went off next to a school. It is quagmire. Even so , I
> have nothing against him...only the stupidity of his war.

Obviously he's not solely responsible for it. If you buy TM philosophy,
everyone who emits violent vibes is responsible. That would include you and
I to some degree. But on the political level, I think Bush and the people
who started the war are criminals and should be prosecuted. But I have some
dear friends who are political conservatives. I don't let that interfere
with our friendship.
> 
>> 2. I am a moron, and a coward, and whatever else anyone wants to
> call me.
>> Not entirely of course, but I�ll admit to having those faults to some
>> degree. I suspect that an emotional reaction to being called such
> things is symptomatic of an inability to own one�s shadow side.>>
> 
> Good for you.
> I am not a coward.
> I am not afraid of anything.

How about if we dangled you with a flimsy rope from the Golden Gate Bridge
by your ankles? 

>I have apprehensions, but nothing I
> cannot flatten with a steamroadroller. There really is nothing I am
> afraid of except maybe being tortured for a very long time. This I am
> not afraid of, but I know it would be horrible, and I will try to
> avoid it. But is it so hard to believe that when someone says they are
> not afraid of anything they actually might not be afraid of anything?

Yes. Everyone is afraid of losing their individuality. It's a fear
fundamental to all unenlightened sentient beings.

> instead of trying to say that when a person says something that deep
> down it must mean the opposite.

Irmeli and Peter and others may describe this better, but it seems to me
that a strong emotional reaction to anything usually indicates that we're
reacting to the presence of that same thing in ourselves.
> 
> 
>> 3. Getting into a spat over a little name calling is juvenile. Like
> a grade
>> school playground fight.>>>
> 
> No , I am pointing out his uncivility. Lack of civilization.

But are you doing this civilly? And if not, aren't you guilty of the same
sin?

>But he is 
> a Bush supporter so perhaps that is all I can expect.
> 
> This whole thing is juvenille.
> All I did was tell him he would have a devastating result if he called
> me that to my face. This is not a spat Rick, this is common sense
> logic. Strangers don't go around calling red blooded males a coward to
> their face. It would be illogical and the devastating result would be
> cosequence of logic. Most people can't understand this logic but it is
> very precise and rooted in a braod and deep philosophical reality,
> with a vast treatise and commentary long in existence. I don't see how
> people think that everyone should just turn the other cheek.

And that's why we have wars. Yet paradoxically you are opposed to them.

Here's a timely quote:

"Many saints treat their most vociferous critics at par with their most
devoted followers. The devotees serve and worship the Mahatmas but share
with them their hoard of spiritual powers, but the critics take nothing for
themselves, they just wash away their sins. We should indeed be very
grateful for the beneficial service that they render and should in no case
try to stifle their criticism."--quote supposed to be by Maharishi approx
1967 or 1968





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