> >> How about if we dangled you with a flimsy rope from the Golden
> > Gate Bridge
> >> by your ankles? >>
> > 
> > 
> > That sounds like fun.
> > I'll give you $500 to do it. Thanks for the kind offer of this
> > valuable service. You could be onto something ! Good business 
idea.
> 
> You didn't respond to the point. Wouldn't you be afraid in that
> circumstance, and many others we could imagine? I would.>>>


Afraid yes, Cowardly NO!. 
I think you are confusing things. Some of the greatest warriors were 
certainly afraid, for example, the WW2 veterans,  but cowards?...NO.


> >> 
> >> Yes. Everyone is afraid of losing their individuality. It's a 
fear
> >> fundamental to all unenlightened sentient beings.>>>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > What individuality? I am nothing.
> 
> So who is this that gets all upset by being called names, and 
wants to break
> legs, etc.?
> 
> >> Irmeli and Peter and others may describe this better, but it 
seems
> > to me
> >> that a strong emotional reaction to anything usually indicates
> > that we're
> >> reacting to the presence of that same thing in ourselves.
> >>> 
> > No, it doesn't. Sorry can't help you there. There is no shadow 
self.
> > It is an illusion in your mind.
> 
> So people don't have unconscious issues and tendencies?
> >> 
> >> "Many saints treat their most vociferous critics at par with 
their
> > most devoted followers. The devotees serve and worship the 
Mahatmas
> > but share with them their hoard of spiritual powers, but the 
critics
> > take nothing for themselves, they just wash away their sins. We
> > should indeed be very grateful for the beneficial service that 
they
> > render and should in no case try to stifle their criticism."--
quote
> > supposed to be by Maharishi approx
> >> 1967 or 1968>>>
> > 
> > 
> > Ok, now relate this point to the point about being called a 
coward
> > for calling myself owb.
> 
> I'll let Byron Katie answer the question:
> 


What am I supposed to be doing here???


Sincerely yours,
Slartybardfast.



>  1. Is it true?
> 
>     * (Close your eyes, be still, go deeply as you contemplate 
your answer.
>       If your answer is no, continue to Question 3.)
> 
> 2. Can you absolutely know that it's true?
> 
>     * Can you know more than God/reality?
>     * Can you really know what's best in the long run for 
his/her/your own
> path?
>     * Can you absolutely know that you would be happier if you got 
what you
> wanted?
> 
> 3. How do you react when you think that thought? (When you believe 
that
> thought?)
> 
>     * Where does the feeling hit you, where do you feel it in your 
body when
> you believe that thought? How far does the feeling travel? 
Describe it.
>     * What pictures do you see when you believe that thought? 
Watch it, be
> still, notice.
>     * When did that thought first occur to you?
>     * How do you treat others when you believe that thought? What 
do you say
> to them? What do you do? Whom does your mind attack and how? Be 
specific.
>     * How do you treat yourself when you believe that thought? Is 
this where
> addictions kick in and you reach for food, alcohol, credit cards, 
the TV
> remote? Do thoughts of self-hatred occur? What are they?
>     * How have you lived your life because you believed that 
thought? Be
> specific. Close your eyes, watch your past.
>     * Does this thought bring peace or stress into your life?
>     * Where does your mind travel when you believe that thought?
>       (List any underlying beliefs, and inquire later.)
>     * Whose business are you in when you think that thought?
>     * What do you get for holding onto that belief?
>     * Can you find a peaceful reason to keep that thought?
>     * What terrible thing do you assume would happen if you didn't 
believe
> that thought? Write down the terrible thought, and turn it around 
to the
> opposite and test it for yourself - is the opposite as true or 
truer?
> 
> 4. Who would you be without the thought?
> 
>     * How would you live life differently if you didn't believe 
that
> thought? Close your eyes and imagine life without it.
>     * Imagine you are meeting this person for the very first time 
with no
> story. What do you see?
>     * Who are you right now, sitting here without that thought?
> 
> Turn the thought around.
> 
> (Statements can be turned around to yourself, to the other, to the 
opposite,
> and to "my thinking," wherever it applies. Find a minimum of three 
genuine
> examples in your life where each turnaround is as true or truer 
than your
> original statement.)
> 
>     * If you lived this turnaround, what would you do, or how 
would you live
> your life, differently?
>     * Do you see any other turnarounds that seem as true or truer?




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