--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> On Sep 23, 2007, at 1:15 PM, authfriend wrote:
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> > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sep 22, 2007, at 5:25 PM, authfriend wrote:
> > >
> > > > Tom didn't say enlightenment became words, he
> > > > said words became enlightenment through the
> > > > discrimination of the intellect, "when the
> > > > translucent intellect is as clear as the Self."
> > >
> > > But, it's important to point out, that the translation Tom
> > > is using is extremely misleading. What the verse he quoted
> > > is referring to is known technically in the yoga-darshana of
> > > Patanjali as "viveka-khyati". While viveka-khyati IS an
> > > important stage (bhumi) on the Path of realization a la
> > > Patanjali, it is emphatically not final realization in that
> > > system.
> >
> > Hm, I don't recall Tom saying anything in this
> > instance about its being "final realization." He
> > was making a different point.
>
> Final realization in the context of yoga-darshana in TM-jargon is
> "CC" and the style of "final enlightenment" of yoga-darshana.
Viveka-
> khyati is not that, nor is it "enlightenment", it's a bhumi (a
> stage). This is also why sutras such as the YS requires a lineal
> realizer to explain it. This also is why it is not unusual to
see
> TMer's express false views.
>
Brahman is the end result, or the beginning of actual Self
Realization, nor have I heard any differently from Maharishi. You
have misinterpreted the TM message. I have heard TMers consistently
correct about this. You appear to be trolling here, Vaj.:-)
