Cognitions and revelations are what my guru had prior to enlightenment and also this what s gave my Guru the understanding that enlightenment was there. As I said, there was a time where my guru could know anything about something and other such things
The point is- who is there to cognize something? My recolletions are Bevan worships MMY as persona, therefore it is the greatest Guru in 10,000 years, and for example, on some walk MMY was having, all of the vedas or some certain apsects of the vedas were cognized. This has to do with knowing something, where as in Realization, the small self, the me, the identification of body and mind is imploded, merged, it IS only ONE, not one with something My Guru, speaking from this knowing, informed me a few days ago that no, ccognitions are not there for the enlightened, it also was from experiecne that with the cogitions and revelations, my Guru thought she had arrived, but as long as there is a me cognizing, there is further to go This is the significance of the Guru being there with the disciple, otherwise , the disciple will go no further and this ends up being a sad thing. It is most likely the new age thing which people can relate to- it is there in sai Ma's web sight- become a God, develope your full potential, choose enlightenment, etc. People can relate to becoming a better me, gaining a cosmic ego People can not relate to no me, no ego, no self, only IS- then life flows Regarding the Kundalini comment from another post- Maybe it again is this paradoxal thing. My guru explains that where shakti meets shiva, the kundalini journey is over. IN enlightenment, yes, my Guru gives shatipat and shakti is kundalini. The thing is the persona is no longer there so the enlightened experienceing Kundalini? All 3 enlightened in my path went through the kundalini journey- 2 of the 3 are gurus- the other a sage- and it is an inspirational story for that one being on the path for only one year, with 3 babies ( all under 4) and a housewife. The 2 gurus had very heavy kundlaini journeys, and having arrived in realization, are extremely qualified to speak about Kundalini. Both independantly commented on MMY comments about Kundalini and said it is one that knows nothing of the kundalini journey. --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Ron" <sidha7001@> wrote: > > > > Response: > > > > I will ask my Guru to comment, as I have been saying, I am not > enlightened. <snip> > > > Comment: If you or anyone else can explain to me how the Vedas can be > > cognized *before* enlightenment, I owe you a nickel. Such a foolish > > statement, which you have apparently swallowed hook, line and > > sinker.:-) > > > I am not calling into question anything else regarding siddhis or > other powers prior to enlightenment. All that is said about that, I > agree with. Just the remark about the Vedas being able to be cognized, > prior to permanent establishment in the Absolute.:-) >
