--- In [email protected], "theofehr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:44:57 -0000 > From: "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 2905 > > --- In [email protected], "Jeff Fischer" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], steven klayman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > snip > > > > Do the puja, give them Gods name and have them repeat > > > it. End of story. Check up one them once in a while > > > and know their own karma guides them. > > > > > > You dont still believe in meaningless sounds do you? > > > Or are you worried if you told the truth you would > > > break some "fine threads" between you and MMY. > > > Read my lips. MANTRAS ARE NOT MEANINGLESS SOUNDS. > > > Read the Gita. Chapter 8. Krishna gives the technique > > > for God Realization at hte time of death. > > > Of course MMY never published the last 12 chapters. > > > Curious HuH? > > > Concentrate your gaze between the eyebrows and > > > meditate on Gods name. > > > > > > Good luck to all true seekers and lovers of truth. > > > steve > > > > The point I'd like to query here is that as an initiate and > initiator > > I was told the mantras were meaningless sounds. I became > suspicious > > about this hearing about the NJ court case and having been taught > > that Sanskrit is a "name is form" language. It unravelled for me > > when I got my advanced technique and knew the meaning of > that "sound". > > If the mantras were promoted as meaningless sounds and were indeed > > names of God, doesn't it seem rather Machiavellian to misrepresent > > (dare I say lie?) this fact to westerners to get them to silently > > chant the names of God "for their own good?" And TM's NOT a > religion? > > If you believe that, I refer you to the story about "a duck." > > > > These are fundamental points. When an organization fundamentally > mis- > > represents itself, how long would you expect it to last? > > >
> The bija mantras are meaningless by any standard. They have no > meaning in Sanskrit or English and their origin is unknown. No TM > mantra has meaning as it is taught. If you chose to assign it > meaning, that's your problem. > > "Mantra is a name of God. But we don't tell it to the people" MMY, > Squaw Valley, August, 1968 ******************************* Whether one is a Hindu or not, the correct practice of TM does not involve thinking of the mantra as being associated with a god. If somebody, Hindu or not, is using their TM mantra to think about a god, then they are not practicing TM, although MMY has made it clear that in the effortless practice of TM, the choice of a suitable mantra has a harmonizing effect on the path to transcendence which benefits both the universe and the meditator. Outside of the context of meditation, if Hindus (and MMY has never made a secret of being a Hindu monk) want to think about a mantra or anything else as being associated with a god, what's the problem? The Irish think about "green" as being a frequency of light that is meaningful to them, but that does not mean that I need to think about green in that way. Those who are devoted to science may want to think of green as being so many nanometers of bandwidth in the electromagnetic spectrum, and that is their right, but it is also right that others attach values to sections of the spectrum. MMY is a Hindu monk, but TM does in fact utilize sounds which are meaningless during the practice, altho for MMY and other Hindus they may be full of meaning peculiar to Hinduism outside of the context of meditation. The majority of people in the West are Christians, and there numerous references to angels, creatures more powerful and celestial than humans, who serve as intermediaries between Big "G" and the creation. Hindus also believe in these more-powerful-than-human creatures, but they call them "gods," not angels -- those more comfortable with scientific terminology could certainly call the gods "impulses of creative intelligence'" (actually, what isn't an "impulse of creative intelligence?"). But it is quite clear from the Vedic literature that the gods are serving the will of Lord Krishna, Big "G," so those (especially so-called Christians) who try to keep people from enjoying an absolutely useful and powerful meditation technique by throwing up bogus objections to TM are just ignorant and dedicated to keeping the world ignorant. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
