-Let me clarify this point in regard to the TM mantras being meaningless or not: First of all, people who are coming to learn medition, are coming to learn how to transend. Trancsending normal superficial thinking, going deeper beyond thought and meaning. If we start by getting caught up on the meaning of the mantra, this will defeat the whole purpose of meditation. Because if you are thinking of the "meaning of the mantra", that is contempation. Contemplation is practiced by many religions; repeating of the name of God, over and over again; that will produce some transcendance, but it's focus is different. The Chrisians do it. The Hari Krishna'a do it... The Islam fundementalist's do it, as well as the orthadox Jews, it's all based on contemplation, and the meaning of the sounds. Every religion, has it's own 'mantras' For Christions; Jesus, Jeshua, For Moslems: Allah, Mohammad, For Jews: Elocheem, Adonoi. All are the sounds or vibrations of God. But to teach people to transcend sound and meaning, that is a whole different matter- And the power and genius of Maharishi, bring this knowledge to the world... Maharishi's focus, he has said over and over again, is to give people the experience of pure consciousness, beyond meaning, beyond thought. He wants people to transcend the differences and get to unity(the light of God, within). Maharishi says in the preparatory lecture(the 2nd lecture) that the sound of the mantra is a "life supporting sound on all levels, and that is why it is chosen as the mantra.) Therefore, to assign meaning to the mantra, takes away it's effectiveness to provide transcendance, and that would defeat the purpose of Transcendental Meditation...
-- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "Jeff Fischer" > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], steven > > > klayman > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > snip > > > > > > Do the puja, give them Gods name and have them > > > repeat > > > > > it. End of story. Check up one them once in a > > > while > > > > > and know their own karma guides them. > > > > > > > > > > You dont still believe in meaningless sounds do > > > you? > > > > > Or are you worried if you told the truth you > > > would > > > > > break some "fine threads" between you and MMY. > > > > > Read my lips. MANTRAS ARE NOT MEANINGLESS > > > SOUNDS. > > > > > Read the Gita. Chapter 8. Krishna gives the > > > technique > > > > > for God Realization at hte time of death. > > > > > Of course MMY never published the last 12 > > > chapters. > > > > > Curious HuH? > > > > > Concentrate your gaze between the eyebrows and > > > > > meditate on Gods name. > > > > > > > > > > Good luck to all true seekers and lovers of > > > truth. > > > > > steve > > > > > > > > The point I'd like to query here is that as an > > > initiate and > > > initiator > > > > I was told the mantras were meaningless sounds. I > > > became > > > suspicious > > > > about this hearing about the NJ court case and > > > having been taught > > > > that Sanskrit is a "name is form" language. It > > > unravelled for me > > > > when I got my advanced technique and knew the > > > meaning of > > > that "sound". > > > > If the mantras were promoted as meaningless sounds > > > and were indeed > > > > names of God, doesn't it seem rather Machiavellian > > > to misrepresent > > > > (dare I say lie?) this fact to westerners to get > > > them to silently > > > > chant the names of God "for their own good?" And > > > TM's NOT a > > > religion? > > > > If you believe that, I refer you to the story > > > about "a duck." > > > > > > > > These are fundamental points. When an > > > organization fundamentally > > > mis- > > > > represents itself, how long would you expect it to > > > last? > > > > > > > > > > The bija mantras are meaningless by any standard. > > > They have no > > > meaning in Sanskrit or English and their origin is > > > unknown. No TM > > > mantra has meaning as it is taught. If you chose to > > > assign it > > > meaning, that's your problem. > > > > That's not quite correct. While bija mantras literally > > have no meaning, they are associated with specific > > impulses of creative intelligence (aka gods). For > > example: "shrim" doesn't mean anything, but it is a > > bija of Laksmi. I have no problem explaining this to > > people. You just have to clarify and undo some > > misconceptions about what a god is and what a mantra > > is. Unfortunately most people are too intellectually > > lazy and incurious to try to figure this out. Like > > talking to people in some parts of Africa who think > > AIDS is caused by voodo. They just aren't going to > > understand it because its too much of a foundational > > shift in their conceptual world. > > Then why do you explain it to them, again? I missed that part. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
