In a message dated 9/26/07 10:35:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Excommunication is such a joke: to Jesus that is...
Who would Jesus  excommunicate? No one!
The Church is not Jesus, and Jesus is not the  church.
The Church is part and parcel of the Roman Empire.
It's icons,  symbols, statues, subjugation of women, persecution of the 
Jews, the  disrespect of other religions (not to mention the death and 
destruction  the church has caused, since it's origin)
The child molestation, perversion  of the priests, all make the Church 
a very dangerous, ilrelevant and  ignorant entity.




Not so Babaji. Jesus clearly says in the Book of Revelation that He will  
reject many that claim to be his in the final judgment. He also says that  it 
is 
better to either be *hot or cold* for him because if you are just luke  warm , 
"I will spew you out!"  That is the ultimate excommunication.The  Church is 
the collection of devotees or as M would put it , the collective  
consciousness, not the dogma, doctrine or buildings of *religion*. Jesus  was 
very anti 
*religion* because the temple priests were more wrapped up in the  
technicalities 
of the Law than in the Spirit of the Law. He referred to them as  brooder 
vipers and whited sepulchers, all clean and white on the outside and  nothing 
but 
dead men's bones and corruption on the inside. He told them that  they stood 
in the door way to the kingdom of heaven and did not go in, nor did  they 
allow others to enter.< The sins of the Church you gleefully point out  are not 
based on the teachings of Christ and the apostles but rather on culture,  
politics and downright sickness and wickedness. It has been my observation in  
recent years that the church has been going through a period of reflection,  
self 
examination and repentance. One of the key teachings of Jesus was  forgiving, 
letting go and not holding on. Kind of like what we do with our  mantras! There 
are always going to be those that can't let go and will not let  go and 
remind others of their failings but they will have to deal with the issue  of 
*forgiving others as the Almighty would forgive  them*.



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