Turq,

This is $450. an hour advice offered for free. Ron if you can get over
the normal defensive reactions and hear any of this it would be a real
siddhi.  Post of the week for me!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <sidha7001@> wrote:
> >
> > **Here is one excerpt from my gurus writtings:
> > 
> > As Ramana melted within Arunachala
> > obedient and surrendered and never did
> > he leave his Guru's side. He came amidst all
> > obstacles and Surrendered to it's wisdom
> > as Shiva. He stayed once home without ever
> > a thought of leaving.
> 
> Ron,
> 
> As sweet as you seem to be, and as inspired as
> you obviously are by your new path, this is all 
> starting to get really repetitive and tiresome 
> and well, somebody's got to say so.
> 
> You seem to get a bit compulsive with your post-
> ing whenever anyone around here suggests that
> one doesn't "need" a "guru". You launch into post
> after post after post after post telling us what
> "my guru" and Ramana and any other authority 
> figure you can think of says about such things.
> 
> Give it a rest already.
> 
> The person who "needs" a guru is YOU, dude. You
> can't say two sentences without invoking the holy
> words "My guru says..." in front of some sentence. 
> And frankly, if you are the *product* of "finding 
> a guru," I want nothing to do with it.
> 
> I kinda prefer having my *own* thoughts, and 
> being able to answer someone's questions with my
> *own* words, and making my *own* decisions about
> my life and my path through it.
> 
> "Your guru" has, as far as I can tell, turned you
> into a Class-A wuss who is now terrified to think
> for himself. You really *can't* do anything but
> repeat her words ad nauseum to other people, seem-
> ingly hoping to convince them to join you on the
> Path Of Being Unable To Think For Oneself.
> 
> I honestly don't think you're going to find very 
> many "takers" for this sales spiel here. All we
> have to do to measure its worth is watch how
> distraught and defensive you get whenever anyone
> suggests that someone may have realized their
> enlightenment *without* a guru, or that someone
> is even doing well without a guru. Dude, to be
> honest, that says more about *your* needs than
> it does any universal "need" for a guru.
> 
> You've been sold a bill of goods. You've been
> told that you "need" someone's guidance to find
> who you really are, and who you always already
> have been all your life.
> 
> You post here about how Maharishi couldn't poss-
> ibly be enlightened because he feels "restricted"
> if he's not safely inside a S-V building. Well,
> dude, it really seems to me that you feel awfully
> restricted unless you're safely inside the aura
> of some guru telling you what to do and what to
> think at all times.
> 
> If that gets you off, more power to you and I 
> wish you well on your Way. But I don't think it's
> going to lead you where you think it will. I've
> watched your language over the last few months 
> become *more and more* dependent on your guru, 
> and *less and less* able to express anything that
> sounds like someone I'd like to get to know. Much
> less buy anything from. 
> 
> So don't *sell* so hard, man. In the world of
> spiritual teaching, the "brochure" one uses to
> sell with is *oneself* -- how one thinks and acts
> and speaks. Your "brochure" consistently shows
> someone who has almost entirely lost the ability
> to think for himself, and who has been reduced
> to prefacing almost everything he says with, "My
> guru says..." While I understand that you may see
> this as a positive thing, I'm not sure that you
> understand that others here may not see it that
> way.
> 
> Whatever. Continue doing your thing, and being
> a missionary for your guru, if that gets you off.
> But y'know...if after a few more months or years
> of this you find that the savages you're preaching 
> to haven't been flocking to buy what you're selling,
> you might give some thought to reworking the sales
> brochure.
>


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