--- In [email protected], "lurkernomore20002000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Having snappy repartee in a bar and thinking oneself very 
> > clever and maybe destined to get lucky, is simply aggrand-
> > izement by an elitist of the leverage tools he's able to 
> > command. It takes a ton of time and dedication to even 
> > begin to get a handle on relationship and honesty.  
> > To hang around bars and just do the easy stuff is so 
> > superficial, so egoic, so outer directed, and it's so 
> > wildass goofy to expect that bar hopping as a bard is a 
> > lifestyle that will serve up much profit for the soul.
> 
> I got to admit, I think Edg may have hit upon something here.  
> Turq does seem to spend a lot of time in this envirnoment, 
> in this mode.

While you are welcome to your opinion, I'll offer mine.

Those who rag on bars and "bar conversations" and put
them down in my experience haven't had any experiences
of their own in a long time. In fact, if you check, 
the raggers have often not had *any* real face-to-face
conversations with strangers in a long time. 

They just sit back and type words on Internet screens
and think that they're having "conversations." 

I've done that, too, especially in Sauve where there 
were no good bars, and it's not the same. As I'm 
sure Curtis would agree, face-to-face is a different
world, and a different league to play in. And yes,
there *are* some who see bars and bar conversations
as a way to puff up their egos and impress people,
but really, dude...WHY would you ever hang out in
a bar like that? Especially when, if you just kept
looking, in a happening outlaw town like Sitges 
there is a better bar down the street where the 
patrons never get drunk...they just sip and have
good conversations, *for the sake of the good conver-
sations*. It's like an artform. They just like the
company of other civilized folks who aren't trying
to *impress* someone. If someone who is still hung
up on trying to impress wanders into one of these
bars, they tend to last about ten minutes. At the
end of that time, everyone has learned to ignore
them.

I think you can see the same phenomenon here on
Fairfield Life, which in one sense is like a bar
in cyberspace. Some people are clearly trolling to
impress. They post something and then sit back and
wait for someone to stroke them for how brilliant
they are. And they get uptight if no one responds 
to what they said and *does* stroke them for what
they said. 

I mean...think back...who is it that not long ago 
was writing anguished, whiny laments about how much
time he spends writing things he considers "special" 
and then feeling all unappreciated because nobody 
replied to them? Right?

Others are content with just expressing their 
thoughts and their beliefs and seeing what happens.
If others find them interesting and turn them into
a cool conversation, that's Ok. If everyone ignores
them and focuses on other threads, that's Ok, too.

I honestly think that some of you folks are project-
ting *your* need for strokes and approval onto those
who don't have that kinda need. There are folks out
there who really *don't* get upset if someone 
doesn't respond to everything they say, and who 
*don't* get upset if someone doesn't stroke them
every time they say it. There are people who don't
panic and feel like they don't exist when no one
has noticed them in a while. There are folks who
are *content* to just sit quietly at the end of 
the bar nursing one drink for hours, just listening.
People like Marek and Curtis and Rick. They *don't*
have a need to impress, and to suck attention like
some kind of perverse vibe vampire. They just wait
for a break in the conversation, say what they have
to say, and go back to sipping their one drink.

Those are the kinds of people I look for in a bar,
whether it is a physical bar or a cyberbar like 
this one. The others -- the ones who have so little
idea of who they are that they need constant reflec-
tions from others -- are down the street at the
boring bars. 

Bottom line is that I think a lot of people who 
rag on bars would benefit by getting out to one 
every so often and getting some real feedback
on who they are -- and more important -- who 
they aren't.



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