--- In [email protected], steven klayman 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(snip)

> Rick- The only thing that you have said that makes any
> sense at all is the fact that we do not think about
> the meaning of he mantra when we meditate.


Yay! Something I said made sense.



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> Now i will not spend any more time trying to present
> the evidence to you because you cannot grasp the idea
> that you have been mislead and like most fanatical
> religious people, you must hold firmly to your
> beliefs, otherwise the possibility of the death of the
> ego is too real.

Wow, I'm a fanatical religous person. Cool, it's all the rage these 
days you know.

(snip)

 You are stuck in your
> thoughts and refuse to acknowledge it. 
> Could it be that MMY lied to us? Could it be that he
> had sex wit h multiple partners, that he is not a
> lifelong celibate? Could he actually charge high fees
> to make more money for himself and his family. Could
> Kaplan be right? Could he really have been told by
> Guru Dev not to take disciples, not to leave the
> himalayas? Could he have manipulated the
> shankaracharya position as discussed previously here
> on FFlife? Could any of this be true?  
> These are all thoughts that you dare not consider.
> So until you can think on your own, and stop
> justifying the lies tha t we have been told, no
> further intelligent discussion or presentation of the
> facts 
> has any value.

Hey what happened here? You suddenly took a left turn into painting 
me as a Maharishi apologist. I don't remember talking about that.
> 
> Now i have to go do my program, and i promise you i
> wont think about the meaning of the mantra.
> 
> steve

Oh yeah that's right we were talking about whether or not mantras 
have meaning. Dont try to think about meaning or try to not think 
about meaning, remember the practice is effortless.

Things may improve a bit if you settle into a more subtle level 
instead of obsessing so much about the surface value.

Rick Carlstrom 
 





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