--- In [email protected], "shanti2218411" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --and perhaps you have a limited view of what the term enlightenment
> encompasses.Kevin
> 

No mirror, no dust...


> 
> 
> - In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "shanti2218411" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --I believe that MMY did an excellent job trying to explain
> > > enlightenment and how it developed to westerners who for the 
most 
> > part
> > > had no idea what enlightenment was.However,in doing this he used
> > > modern terms eg stress in ways which do not exactly conform to 
what
> > > they actually mean.I think that meditation(not just TM)does 
produce
> > > changes in the body/central nervous system(CNS).These changes 
can
> > > become permanent and undoubtedly are related to changes in the
> > > expereince of conciousness eg witnessing.As far what can be
> > > expereinced in meditation being purely the result 
of "unstressing" I
> > > think that is highly debatable.With respect to my expereince of
> > > of shakti/kundalini during my initiation I would charaterize 
that as
> > > an awakening of a force that had been latent in my body.This 
force 
> > is
> > > very much active all the time in my body now.I would agree that 
SOME
> > > of the effects that this force causes could be described using 
the
> > > term "unstressing".Kevin
> > > 
> > 
> > And perhaps your desire to see it as something more is holding 
you 
> > back because you are clinging to relative things while thinking 
they 
> > are non-relative.




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