Kevin, a brief response to everything below: yes. It is based on my experience. I don't expect anyone to take it as universal truth because unless it is a direct experience it is just speculation and empty concept. Am I "right," am I "wrong," who knows. Just certain things/explanations/concepts are self-evident in the context of pure consciousness. One of these is that pure consciousness is not dependent upon anything: a body, a perciever, etc.. I write many of these things out of my own Self-inquiry and as a possible door for others.
--- shanti2218411 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter,I respect your opinion but that is all that it > is,your opinion. > We've had this dicussion on this forum > before(actually I've lost > count).I'm pretty sure I'm very much in the > minority(on FFL) but I > think that the whole business of making statements > re the nature of > reality based on subjective states is fundamentally > flawed. > Consequently statements like"Conciousness has > nothing to with > a.....body" have no other basis than someone(in this > case you)making > this assertion.Like "God is Love" what does that > really mean?It's > anyones guess.Frankly I think one of the problems > with > "enlightenment"is for most people who become > "enlightened" there is an > apparently irrestible urge to make philosphical > statments based on > their"enlightenment".But the more people assert that > they have the > (ultimate)truth the surer I feel that they don't.One > result of this > perspective is the sense that the best approach to > the truth is to ask > questions and when you do make assertions always be > ready to question > your assertions no matter how self evident or cosmic > they may seem.Its > because of the latter that term Vedic Science is an > oxymoron.For proof > of the latter think of the last time you remember > someone who is a > practioner of Jyotish asking "is it really true that > the stars > influence peoples lives".Of course that hasn't > happened and jyotish > hasn't really changed for a very long time although > there are pretty > good reasons to believe that it has very little > validity."Enlightenment"may have a profound > psychological value for > the "one" who is enlightened but I think that is as > far as it goes.Kevin > > > > > > > > > > In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- shanti2218411 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > TurquoiseB > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > And therein lies the problem. WHO is > > > confounded with > > > > > > WHAT. WHAT is always an object of > perception, > > > while > > > > > > WHO is pure consciousness. > > > > > > Without the WHAT aka body ,form there can be no > > > perception nor any > > > perceiver. > > > > Consciousness has nothing to do with a perceiver, > > perception or the perceived.....or a body! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced > search. > > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
