Experience+Knowledge.
Then all the effects come.
Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Off,
There HAS been a study that you should take as authoritative,
methinks, cuz, well, it's the kind of study that everyone on the
planet learns how to conduct from BIRTH onwards.
Millions of folks started TM; millions quit.
Science was done by all of these folks: they followed the rules of the
experiment, took the mantra effortlessly, and then quit after a few
days, months, years -- depending -- but they all quit and never looked
back.
Sure, some were bad scientists and didn't do the experiment correctly,
but most did. Most made it past their ten-day checking, but after
that, by my ten-year-teaching-in-the-field reasoning, most didn't make
up to having a whole year under their belt, before they, unlike me,
realized that they were not being "paid back" for their investment of
40 minutes per day in the chair.
There's abandoned mines in "The Old West" everywhere -- each abandoned
mine was finally quit by a non-scientific person who wasn't much more
educated than a cowboy of the era, yet in almost every instance the
mine was indeed "played out." Doesn't take much to be correct about
such things even if a scientist has not affirmed it.
The heft of "millions tried it and quit" is considerable -- even if
only as a longitudinal study, say, "The Impact of Belief Systems on
Mass Audiences." As pumped up as all of us teachers were at the time,
our inspirational modeling had only so much oomph with which to imbue
the newbies as they left the centers. And we had some good schtick to
fling. Yes, "fling" is a good word, eh?
Maharishi always ALWAYS ALWAYS smugly and arrogantly challenged
disbelief by saying, "Try it. If the results are there you will
continue, if not, then you will quit." He was always talking about
how businessmen would be naturally expected to see meditation's value,
because they were sure to be so bottom-line and practical, AND, they
would see TM's impact on their profits.
Nope. So they quit. Maharishi TRUSTED their intuitions and logic, and
they quit. Ain't no bigbiz programs nowadays, right? Witherspoon
took off his tie and went back to heaping dirt up in the desert, right?
The masses are asses, but they're not out there eating rocks -- even
small children are scientific enough to stop tasting
things-on-the-ground-found-when-mom-isn't-there by about the age of
four. They did the experiments, and their behaviors changed.
TM's marketing campaigns also reflect that the masses had invalidated
the meditation -- we see that the history of the TMO's marketing
became more and more focused on "fleecing the well heeled." And now
today, where is TM being taught? Answer: nowhere -- for the most part.
Ask all the folks living around any of the abandoned mines why they
aren't going into the mines to look for nuggets. Answer: "others that
we trust have done that, and it is 99% certain that there's no gold in
them thar hills." No one is starting TM cuz everyone's heard about
the results from their trusted friends -- just like no one does Amway
anymore after they've been suckered into having a living room
presentation instead of being forthrightly presented with a business
proposition instead of, you know, "dare to be rich."
Oh, don't bother arguing with me about this -- I know you'll flame or
go into some sort of TB illogic about the masses not being scientific.
I've had my little say, and that's enough. Those here who resonate
will perhaps be just a titch more likely to read one of my posts and a
titch less likely to read your next post.
No one posting here was a more dedicated teacher than I was -- as far
as I can tell. I did the experiment, the lifestyle, the sacrificing,
and I paid tens of thousands of dollars (no new cars, no savings, cult
raised children wearing second-hand school uniforms, working off
tuition) to conduct that experiment.
Conclusion: TM may do something, might be good for one, could be the
real deal and might even be in line with Vedic traditions, could be
training the brain to do marvelous but extremely subtle things, but
one thing is certain -- the price is far too high for the little
profits that can be verified or pretended to exist.
For TBs to ignore these results "of the people" is to besmirch the
general ability of "humanity" to be logical, practical and faithful to
what-works.
Think of all the things that the masses HAVE NOT abandoned -- things
that worked. Necessity may be the mother of invention, but "it works"
is the go-juice of culture.
TM never delivered the expected mojo. It is a pig in a poke, and I
still believe that some pokes have pigs in them, but I have yet to
hear my first oink from the TMO's poke.
But I did get porked.
Edg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Yes, my pet peeve in life are anti-science nuts like George Bush, Ted
> Haggard, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, and the other Fundie religious
> nutjobs.
>
> So the to Anti-science freaks here on FFL such as Turq, Vaj, Steven,
> NewMorning, and other medieval morons, let us know when you have a
> published study against TM in a peer-reviewed scientific
> journal...then tell us when you have 40-50 of them.
>
> Like I said, even just one quarter of the amount that is published on
> TM, and I will take it seriously and believe it.
>
> And this is the real test of the Anti-science crowd: This shows my
> complete open-mindedness for science over religion, and Vaj, Sal,
> Angelina, and Turq, and Steven's absolute fanatical and destructive
> closed-mindedness to science.
>
> A million studies would not convince then about TM, yet it only takes
> about 40-50 to change my mind on TM. This is the absolute truth for
> me and totally proves their anti-science religious agenda to ignore
> science for their own pathetic opinions.
>
> Unfortunately for their little egos, no real scientists are listening
> to them, and the future lies in peer-reviewed published research. Get
> used to it you anti-science neanderthals.
>
> OffWorld
>
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