--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Within an enormous vacuum, an enormous space, enormous outer space, 
> you begin to experience the dawn of enlightenment - just the dawn. 
You 
> get the message that the sun is going to shine, purely because there 
is 
> a little glow in the east. The dawn of enlightenment in the Buddhist 
> tradition cannot take place unless first there is a sense of 
> desolation, meaninglessness, and being a fool, to begin with. 

Seems like Turq and Vaj has a long way to go. ;-)

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