--Comment below: In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I agree with Sparaig here. That ego is the precise > > obstacle to realization. There can not be an ego an > > realization simultaneously. > > Hmmm. Might I ask why you believe this? > > Are you saying that individuality cannot coexist > with enlightenment? What then is creation? > > In my experience, enlightenment is an additive > process, not a subtractive one. Nothing is lost > or goes away when direct perception of the trans- > cendent is added to one's daily perception; all > of that other stuff is still there. 200% of life, > as someone once said. > > Unc
The ego represents an essential stage of human development. To call it a"delusion" is absurd.What is actually interesting is that there are individuals who claim to have no ego(which actually means no experience of an ego)who nonetheless exhibit many features of a narcissistic personality.Case in point is recent revelations about Ramesh Balsekar a leading proponent of advaita vedanta and a prominent disciple of Nisargadata.Balsekar apparently was sexually coming on to female disciples.When this became public knowledge Balsekar bascially said"what's the problem..there is no doer"convenient huh.OTOH there are numerous spirtual teachers eg Ramakrishna,Sri Yukteswar,Gudjieff,Mantak Chia who have specifically said that individuality and enlightment are not mutually exculsive. All of the above of course does not mean that there are not "individuals" who no longer expereience having an ego or personal self.Spirtual practice can lead to this outcome.Indeed some people for karmic(genetic/enviormental)reasons maybe predisposed via meditation etc to the experience of no self.However,to say that this represents the only or even optimal outcome that can be associated with the term enlightenment is IMO wrong and represents a type of fundamentalism Kevin To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
