--- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > > Sutphen > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree with Sparaig here. That ego is the > > precise > > > > obstacle to realization. There can not be an ego > > an > > > > realization simultaneously. > > > > > > Hmmm. Might I ask why you believe this? > > > > > > Are you saying that individuality cannot coexist > > > with enlightenment? What then is creation? > > > > > > In my experience, enlightenment is an additive > > > process, not a subtractive one. Nothing is lost > > > or goes away when direct perception of the trans- > > > cendent is added to one's daily perception; all > > > of that other stuff is still there. 200% of life, > > > > > as someone once said. > > > > > > Unc > > > > A related question would be if consciousness knows > > itself as all > > that is either created or uncreated then is that a > > form of ego? > > > > Rick Carlstrom > > Good question. If this line of questioning is more > than intellectual it can lead in some amazing > directions. What actually is the ego? Not > conceptually, but the direct experience of it? If you > persue the ego experientially you can't find it, but > something else will happen. That's why I love > Self-inquiry so much.
My little inner experiment usually goes like this: In meditation, having one thought after another step up to center stage I begin to ask, what is back "here" watching these thoughts? So I turn my attention in reverse as it were and try to pull back into myself. Each time I settle back I end up at another layer of the onion, another thought of self peeling off and I again am looking at "something". I feel like self cannot be looked at. It can become like a dog chasing his tail and eventually becomes a little frustrating. So I just continue meditating, stop trying to accomplish anything and become more settled. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
