--- In [email protected], "guybanner2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I appreciate receiving the references to Muktananda quotes. It > exactly explains the grace I received.
Muktananda often speaks of a process called "Shaktipat" which is described as "transmission of spiritual power (Shakti) from Guru to disciple; spiritual awakening by grace". Do you feel you experienced Shaktipat from Maharishi? > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thank you for this post, Guy, I found it incredible and inspiring > > reading. > > > > I would point out your use of and reference to MMY as a "master" > > and, in particular, YOUR master. This is great and I am happy for > > you that you have actually found a master in this lifetime and > have > > successfully entered into a relationship with him. > > > > But please be aware that this is NOT the TM program; it's > something > > else. From reading your post, it's a very great and profound > thing, > > but not TM. > > > > And it is not MY path. My path is TM which doesn't > > include "masters" (it doesn't EXCLUDE them, but they are neither > > necessary nor are they part of the program of what, according to > the > > founder and chief promulgator of the program, is needed to obtain > > full enlightenment). > > > > As for celibacy, it is my personal opinion that celibacy is > > incredibly compatible with TM. My experience with TM is that > there > > are two areas of life that are profoundly influenced and enhanced > by > > TM (and vice-versa) and the benefits thereof are exponential > because > > of the TM component. > > > > One is hatha yoga and the other is celibacy. > > > > I attend hatha yoga classes (the Iyengar method) several times a > > week. The results I get are very profound and, naturally, I > assume > > at the end of class that everyone else is on the same high as I am > > (especially felt during the lay-down). Sure, people feel great as > a > > result of the physical "exercise" but almost never do they express > > that they are feeling the results and "change of consciousness" > that > > I do. I attribute it to my many years of TM practise. > > > > As for celibacy: I can't say that I am totally celibate. Yes, I > > have gone through periods in my 20s (periods that included the 6- > > month course and other TM residential courses) in which I was > > completely celibate. My experience? The results of TM appeared > (at > > least on the subjective side!) to be exponentially greater...and > > they included numerous experiences of the types you so incredibly > > and beautifully described in your post. Alot of things happening > > along the spine. > > > > I'm now 50 and out in the "real world" for about 25 years...always > > aspired to hold on to the celibacy ideal but have come to the > > conclusion that living in this particular culture is NOT condusive > > to "full" celibacy. Geez, every billboard on every block has some > > babe strutting her stuff at me, not to mention the nubile young > > sweets on the streets who really don't clothe themselves all that > > much here in the dessert...but I digress... > > > > Holding out for two weeks is, for me, pretty much all I can > handle. > > Up to "losing" my seed my meditation IS more powerful and, yes, > > there is an experience of "loss" when the ejaculation > happens...but > > the frustration and anxiety that the culture that surrounds me > puts > > on me until then is, I believe, more damaging. > > > > Quite applicable to your wonderful post are the following excerpts > > from Swami Muktananda's book "Satsang with Baba, Volume 5", pp 180- > 2: > > > > "To become an urdhvareta, not only must you be a strict celibate > > throughout your life, but you must also receive the Guru's grace. > > Your Kundalini must be awakened, and the Shakti must reverse the > > direction in which the semen flows -- from downward to upward. A > > celibate will not necessarily become an urdhvareta; an ordinary > > celibate is simply a celibate, not an urdhvareta. Urdhvareta is a > > sttate that comes through meditation. The semen, which normally > > flows downward, begins to folw upward as a result of meditation. > It > > reaches the place of the gastric fire above the navel, and when it > > falls into the gastric fire it produces thrilling sensations. > After > > it has been purified in the gastric fire, it rises up into the > > sahasrar and then spreads through all the nerves." > > > > "One turns to sex for a certain kind of enjoyment. If you could > get > > the same pleasure, in fact, far superior pleasure, woithout the > > physical sex act, why would you go after it?" > > > > "The bliss experienced by an urdhvareta is a million times greater > > than the pleasure experienced by the downward flow of semen." > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "guybanner2002" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In May, 1975 I attended an ATR in France. MMY was giving > advanced > > > techniques. I was not ready for one of the 2 to 7, but I > > > thought, "who said it had to be 2 to 7." So I decided to write > in > > my > > > own request. I had a high sex drive and it was interfering with > my > > > desire to be totally one-pointed in my spiritual practice. So, I > > > decided to write on my advanced technique application > > > form "Celibacy." I got at the end of the line and after an hour > > wait > > > entered the initiation room where there were rows of tables with > > > puja sets set up. We each did our own puja, then lined up to > come > > > before MMY to get our technique. > > > > > > I came about three feet before MMY with some apprehension about > > his > > > response. He looked at the form and then at me, and said "Good." > > > Then asked me "How long have you abstained?" > > > I replied, "Two years." Then, firmly, "But I need help." > > > MMY nodded, then closed his eyes, and went really deep into > > > meditation. He surfaced about ten seconds later, and said, "It > is > > > good." Then MMY looked at me solidy. > > > Then suddenly I felt a solid hard bolt of energy come from MMY > and > > > hit me between my eyes which stunned me by the impact. Before I > > > could figure it out, a second solid hard bolt of energy again > hit > > > me between my eyes. > > > Then I noticed my seminal fluid rising up to the second chakra > > > level. A very sharp pain began; it was like an icepick was > slowly > > > being pushed into me at the pelvic chakra area. It was very > > painful > > > and lasted about 5 seconds. > > > Then the rising fluid seemed to become transmuted into a dense > > > vapor. It rose slowly upwards, up the shushumna. It was a very > > > pleasurable experience. When it reached the level of my heart > > > chakra, it paused and radiated outwards from my chest in all > > > direction with a great feeling of splendor. > > > Then the radiating ceased and the upward flow of the dense vapor > > > continued until it reached the level of my forehead, when again > it > > > radiated outwards in all directions with great splendor. > > > That was my initiation into celibacy. It was done by a mere > glance > > > from my MASTER. > > > He put my physiology through a metamorphosis that to this day > has > > > not changed. He changed the direction of my energy flow from > going > > > downwards and outwards into one which is transmuted and flows > > > continuously upwards. > > > > > > Celibacy is a state of consciousness which has a corresponding > > > physiologic correlate. It is not a vow of abstinance. Once this > > > celibate stage is reached there is no temptation, there is not > > even > > > a consideration, there is no "solitaire" play, nor > any "nocturnal > > > emission." Celibacy is not a matter of giving up anything. Sex > > gives > > > you up. It is not a matter of denying oneself of anything. The > > state > > > of celibacy is so fulfilling and euphoric that to have sex would > > be > > > to make a sacrifice, such as would be done to have a child. > > Celibacy > > > is a state of constant high which far overshadows any pleasure > > that > > > can be derived from sex. (and this statement I make from once > > having > > > been a sex addict). > > > > > > So, if MMY can transform my physiology with a glance, don't you > > > think that Guru Dev could have done the same for him? > > > If I, with my former oversexed drive, can be a perfect celibate, > > > don't you think that MMY with his much higher state of > > consciousness > > > can more easily be celibate? > > > What high state of consciousness must a Master be in to be able > to > > > impart such a metamorphosis upon someone with merely a glance? > > > > > > A wise man once told me that people of high consciousness can > > > recognize and understand those of lower consciousness. But those > > of > > > lower consciousness cannot recognize and understand those of > > higher > > > consciousness. > > > > > > I have been meditating for 37 yrs (TM instructor for nearly as > > long) > > > and I have been on MMY's staff for 5 years. The above is just > one > > > example of Maharishi's great status. Maharishi is a very great > > > MASTER. Anyone who cannot recognize that status and mocks him is > a > > > fool with the consciousness of a rock. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
