--- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I work with psychotics on a regular basis so it is > very easy to know what to do. Was I there, no, of > course not. But from what has been reported Sem was > displaying very disorganized, psychotic behavior well > before the pen incident. If you're not trained to deal > with psychotic behavior you keep on thinking the > person is going to snap out of it or something along > those lines. That's not going to happen. Unfortunately > nobody knew what to do and a death occured.
Fair enough. Do you think that the average university official without your training and experience would have known what to do? An assualt should have required a call to the police. Do you think that the police in a small town like Fairfield, IA (population 11,000) would have picked up on these clues? > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Did you interview Sem? Were you there when things > > went down? How do > > YOU know what was the "appropriate" thing to have > > done in those > > circumstances? What training or procedures would you > > have done > > differently? > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > How many of those deaths do you think occurred > > after > > > > the person in > > > > question gave a very clear and distinct warning > > that > > > > he was dangerous, > > > > and the persons supposedly in charge did > > nothing? > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > Unless you having training dealing with > > psychotics, it > > > is very difficult to know what to do when they > > start > > > creating problems. Our "default" social response > > > settings are useful for the majority of > > experiences we > > > have and those are with "normal" people. When > > someone > > > behaves outside of the normal range we usually > > still > > > apply our normal responses because we fail to > > > recognize what is actually happening. Wysong had > > no > > > training with psychotics and just assumed Sem was > > > behaving in a strange manner and needed to be > > watched. > > > He failed to recognize the incredible danger Sem > > > possed because of his lack of training. This is > > not > > > his fault, but an institutional failing in lack of > > > preparedness. Anyone in the mental health field > > that > > > has dealt with psychotics would have immediately > > > recognized Sem as an unmedicated, delusional, > > violent > > > psychotic after the first attack and would have > > called > > > the police to have him restrained and brought to a > > > recieving facility. This lack of traing and the > > MUM PR > > > concerns led to Levi's death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 5, 2005, at 2:49 AM, bbrigante wrote: > > > > > > > > > About one out of every million college > > students > > > > is killed on-campus > > > > > every year: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Discover Yahoo! > > > Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for > > the weekend. > > Check it out! > > > http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
