Matrix, I'm not so sure. Moses had two beams of light shooting out of his head -- like horns -- sounds pretty enlightened to me!!!!
Michaelangelo carved Moses with those horns. New definitions are needed for the below: "Me so horny" (full of the divine light of the presumptuous assumption?) "Toot your own horn." (Miles Davis on cloud nine?) "Little Boy Blue, come blow your horn." (Toddler Krishna ref?) "Big Horn Sheep" (The ones that gathered around Baby Jesus?) Edg --- In [email protected], "matrixmonitor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---Of course! (re: the gods). But are you saying that YHVH is "GOD" > and not "a god". Clarify first whether you are a non-dualist (e.g. > all of Buddhism and Saivite Hinduism), or a Deistic dualist (orthodox > brands of JudaeoChristianity, Vaisnava hinduism)...then go on from > there. Define your objectives. Is Enlightenment one of them? If so, > you won't find much written about that in the Bible. > > > > > > > > Started TM in 1976 (gads, was it that long ago?). Eventually made > my > > way to Siddhis. In another post I will talk about the good > > experiences I had with TM/Siddhis. I was not a teacher but was > > married to a Governor who was also my initiator. > > > > When I started TM those years ago I was not overly concerned about > > the religious implications of TM and this accurately reflected my > own > > disinterest in my own religion. That was to change as I got older > > and raised a family. For years I just accepted the standard party > > line as told by MMY which was that TM and all of its branches > > was "Vedic" and not Hindu and that it was cosmically clean and of > no > > concern to any other religious group. In time I came to question > > just what this here Vedic really meant. As well in time I came to > > read more about the Mantras and in what context that came from. > > > > Years later I took a more in-depth interest in my own religion and > > began to reflect much closer on what Vedic meant. After a while I > > realized that it was just a pale ruse to call TM stuff "Vedic" when > > in fact it was just dressed up Hindu practices, familiar to all > > Hindu's around the world. In coming to know my own religion better > I > > chanced upon a sentence in the Torah which just sealed the whole > > affair for me. > > > > I quote: "the name of other gods ye do not mention; > > it is not heard on thy mouth..." Source: Exodus 23:13. I have read > > various commentaries about what this means. While the OT is open > to > > interpretation I think that the words can be taken here at face > > value. Since these Children of Israel were spiritually open > vessels > > and sensitive to all kinds of influences, the wording is not > > ambiguous. You do NOT put the names of other (pagan) gods in your > > mouth....lest they sway you, influence you. It is surmised by some > > that these people were also taught meditational techniques by > Moses, > > some standing/walking techniques, others maybe > sitting/contemplative, > > prayer-like techniques. So, back to mantras: they are the names of > > Hindu deities, end of story. That was the end of TM for me, > although > > there were other factors that were involved. > > > > The movements famous or perhaps infamous inability to address the > > psychological changes a person undergoes when meditating is one of > > the biggest failures. TM has the [possible] ability to alter much > > and > > the fallback of "you're just unstressing, go and lie down and feel > > the body" is laughable and probably irresponsible. I can see that > > some people would have been harmed by this flippant and ridiculous > > attitude while they were undergoing changes. > > > > I will end for now on one more note. When my "faith" in the > Movement > > was undergoing the evaluation that led me to quit that path I could > > not digest the possible dissonance of seeing MMY lie to us and also > > keep the assumption that he was an enlightened man. I had a > > simplistic idea that enlightenment could not allow a person to > issue > > a lie. I was wrong and/or he was never enlightened, or > enlightenment > > really is something I do not clearly understand. In any case I > could > > not hold the two ideas in my mind at the same time. Clearly he had > > hoodwinked us ignoramuses in the West by the constant "Vedic" > answer > > and many of us just didn't ask enough questions or do our homework > > out of fear of confronting the hidden and having ourselves outted > > from the group. I mean, if you want or need to belong to a group, > > you swallow and suppress anything that will be a problem. Up to > the > > point you cannot do this any more. > > > > For a long time I held rageful feelings towards MMY because I felt > he > > had lied to me and I had been misled about many things. I had > > listened to him discuss how easy it seemed to get to some > > enlightenment.....how we only needed 6 or 7000 fliers and all would > > change for the better and a long list of constantly changing > promises > > and explanations for what is going to be a better day. All of > which > > did not come about and all of which enriched the movement to > > incredible heights. I became bitter and felt very badly about > these > > feelings. In another post I will share positive > feelings/experiences > > and where I currently hold MMY in my heart. > > > > I cannot recommend TM to anyone in my faith as I feel that it would > > be a direct contravention of the Torah. Outside of my faith I have > > neutral feelings but I would warn them of cheaper and safer > > alternative measures/techniques. With the recent photos of the > > leadership now splashed all over the world, how anyone in their > right > > mind can take these people seriously and not see them as faux-Hindu > > wannabe's is beyond me. They look so silly I just laughed out > loud. > > I wish them well and best of luck. > > > > Regards, > > > > Fred > > >
