> The thing is:
I wonder who this sounds like...
The process of Transcendental Meditation is a process of
> transcending thought...
New info for this group no doubt.
> There are all kinds of ways to transcend thought: excersize, music,
> whatever you 'lose' yourself in...
> Specifically the mantras which Maharishi has given out, have
specific > and life-supporting effects.
This is the claim I am challenging. Now let's hear the replay of
Maharishi's attempt at proof by analogy:
>
> {I am sure you have listened to some sounds or some music, which you
> must have experienced as jarring, or upsetting, confusing or even
> depressing.
Here is where the analogy breaks down. The claim would have to be
that a single sound made you feel something,not a whole series of
notes. Or maybe an arpeggio of two or three notes which is even
closer to the early mantras. If I could get this out of my
performance I would never have to play a whole song. It is an another
assertion used to prove the first assertion. Neither is true IMO.
> Some vibrations are lower vibrations of the lower world:
> They have there own lower feelings, bad smells, darkness, seperation
> and confusion}
>
Any chance you could post your IPOD song list? I must be missing some
good stuff!
The idea that simple vibrations make you feel a certain way on their
own without musical composition to create the influence is what
created all that crappy New Age music without any structure floating
around on "pure tones." It takes a lot in a musical composition, many
many skillfully placed sounds to get an emotional effect and half the
time (or more) the audience reacts in unknown ways due to their own
personal history and associations. For me minor keys mean "sad", for
the Gypsies it means "the party is ON!" My blues makes me so happy
and filled with joy. Some people say they hate that "sad blues crap."
--- In [email protected], "Roberto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> (snip)
> > > I can speak only from my own experience, but shortly
> > > after I learned TM, I experimented using "Jesus" as
> > > my mantra, with disappointing results.
> >
> >
> > I wonder about this too. It seems that "pretty" sounds are used. My
> > mother had a very lovely unusual name with lots of long vowels. I can
> > meditate using her name to the same effect as my mantra.
> (snip)
>
> The thing is: The process of Transcendental Meditation is a process of
> transcending thought...
> There are all kinds of ways to transcend thought: excersize, music,
> whatever you 'lose' yourself in...
> Specifically the mantras which Maharishi has given out, have specific
> and life-supporting effects.
>
> {I am sure you have listened to some sounds or some music, which you
> must have experienced as jarring, or upsetting, confusing or even
> depressing.
> Some vibrations are lower vibrations of the lower world:
> They have there own lower feelings, bad smells, darkness, seperation
> and confusion}
>
> And then there are the higher vibrations-
> Sound is vibration.
> Silence is the absence of vibration.
> The mantra given in TM is used as a vehicle to transcend thought.
> To bring the mind to stillness, to silence.
> The whole process is to begin to experience the backround on which
> thoughts are formed: consciousness. itself. the witness of the self,
> beyond ego.
> After one has learned to transcend thought, and can maintain some sense
> of silence,
> Then one can begin to witness, and introduce a sutra or vibration of
> the intention.
> Then one could think 'Indra' and could feel the essence of a storm.
> One could think 'Shivayai' and begin to feel the vibration of the
> aspect of God called Shiva.
> So one begins to feel the world as energy, vibration.
> And eventually one can stand apart from the spin of the whole thing...
> Brahma, Shiva, Vishnu, the three gunas...
>
> From my experience, it is necessary first, to still the mind;
> To silence the mind and then introduce the vibration you wish to
> attract.
> In other words, about your Mom...
> Stilling yourself, think her name, and you would begin to have the
> sense of her, being with you.
> In the same way, we can vibrate the vibration of compassion, for
> example, which is more abstract;
> Or, in the example that was used for using Jesus as a mantra-
> From my experience it would be better to use the name that is closest
> to the actual name of Jesus.
> The intention to attune yourself to him, and the closest name/form:
> Yeshua...
> In silence you 'call' to you, whatever you vibrate..
> Gods and Goddesses, Avatars and Saviors...
> The Jews use - Adonoi, Elocheem...
> Some say the name of God, can't be spoken.
> The transcendent cannot be spoken, very true.
> Buddha said: it's not this, and it's not that...same idea.
>
> The silence, which is your own silence, becomes the backround-
>
> It's just a matter of clearing the noise from the system, really.
> Clearing the noise.
>
> You intend to 'vibrate' the vibration of that which you seek.
>
