This post (below) and the threads on Kirk's and Steve's (and Hagen's) experiences are what makes FFL such a resource. Thanks one and all.
FFL seems like a great big paramecium and every once in a while it gives this big jump(!) and a wiggle of the cilia of attention that sure interests me. Great stuff! ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > Those I know personally who do the full > > > > > program do not show me that they are any different > > > > > in positive ways. > > > > > > > > Different from what, in what ways? > > > > > > They just did not seem any different, > > This discussion interests me. I have gone through these stages of > thinking; > > Sidhas have developed more subtle, aware minds through their practice. > (obviously when I was doing them!) > > Sidha are deluded and are being distracted from real thinking by a > mind-numbing practice. (When I first left the movement) > > People's self awareness and capacity for genuine introspection is a > completely separate development from any "spiritual" practice. Some > people develop it and some do not. (New improved by FFL version) > > Now I believe that thoughtful people can extract meaning and value > from any experience. But using a non-intellectual process as a > substitute for the activity of thinking produces a person who lives in > an intellectual world of cliche, thought-stopping phrases. > > I have noticed that the people here whose perspective I seem to gain > the most from have either kept the movement conditioning at arms > length,(Judy and sometimes Lawson as examples), or followed other POVs > deeply enough to be forced to think about the concepts outside the > structured phrases of the belief system. (Kirk's recent post comes to > mind, but many posters here have this skill) > > So I can't say that I believe that people who practice meditation or > sidhis do develop any cognitive skills that seems like anything on the > brochures. I don't think it automatically diminishes any cognitive > abilities either. > > Reports of results on sidhis are mostly the kind of results that a > developed imagination can cook up, especially in the fluid and > generative meditation state. You only get an occasional report of > something happening that other people could verify outside their mind. > With the exception of the flying sidha in the recent video who flew > into the sky with his "tits forward!" It probably helped to stabilize > his magical flight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm still not clear on this: different from what? > > Different from the way they used to be before they > > started practicing the TM-Sidhis? Different from > > people who don't practice the TM-Sidhis? > > > > <snip> > > > People often describe "ah ha" experiences they have, where in > > > an instant something is made clear. I had the clear experience > > > of suddenly looking outside myself to what was happening on the > > > course and knowing deep inside that it was delusion. > > > > Just out of curiosity, if you remember, at what > > stage of the course was this? Do you recall what > > specifically triggered this experience? > > > > > I still find it interesting that I came to the practice with the > > > expectation of being charmed and you came with the opposite > > > expectation and we ended up in totally different places. > > > > Yes, even with regard to the "delusion" thing. > > I have had that sense many times throughout my > > involvement with TM, and did on the TM-Sidhis > > course as well at one point or another, but on > > a more superficial intellectual level. Then in > > some cases, specifically having to do with > > experiences, I suddenly "knew" deep inside that > > it wasn't delusion at all. > > > > > And maybe that is just fine. The older I get the more > > > comfortable I am with the mysteries. > > > > And a good thing too. ;-) > > >
