--- In [email protected], "Zoran Krneta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Unidentified <and we understand why> Recert: > > > > In the meantime, I've been following the thread on John Konhaus' > > email responses to the Serb's emails, and the truth of this > > interchange is very important to me because it speaks volumes > > concerning whether or not I can continue being an active part > > of any organization under such "leaders".
While I commiserate, and applaud, doncha think that on another level it's a tad LATE to start noticing the qualities of the TMO's "leaders," not to mention how far "under" them you are, and have been for a long time? As we are seeing in these days following Maharishi's death, there are a lot of people who *put off* think- ing about such things out of respect and devotion to him *until* he died. These outrages are not new; the draconian pronouncements imposed on other TMers and TM teachers are not new. They have been going on for *decades*. Is it only now that you are able to be concerned about them? > > As I see it, the truth of this whole Konhaus/Serb interchange > > would be revealed if the Serb could post the complete, unaltered > > email messages between himself and supposedly Konhaus. According > > to my understanding, emails that are "forwarded" cannot be > > altered therefore all of us will have the chance to see the > > original emails. In following the thread, no one has suggested > > this as yet. With all due respect, most of us here who are not only familiar with Zoran from his posts here on FFL but with the type of abuse from TM leaders that he's talking about really don't *need* to see the forwarded emails. We've seen Konhaus and others go off the deep end before, and this story seems not only plausible but highly likely. Look around on this forum. There are other true-blue TM supporters here, none of whom (to their credit) rushed in to *discredit* Zoran and call him a liar the way Nablus did. That's just the way that Nablus thinks -- when he encounters some statement about Maharishi, TM, or the TMO that he doesn't like, he hops in his leaky boat and heads up denial (a pun on "the Nile" for Zoran) without a paddle. Nabby feels that Zoran's story is *not believable*. On the other hand, being a devotee of Benny Hill... uh, sorry...Benjamin Creme, Nabby has *no trouble* believing in Space Brothers from the stars and a mysterious world savior named Maitreya who will appear at any moment and speak to all the peoples of the earth in their own language, and will pull our collective bacon out of the fire. :-) In short, Nabby's a fanatic. I've been allowing him to rave without commentary, because HE is the best commentary that anyone could possibly make about the fanaticism of the true-blue TMer. He will do *anything* to avoid dealing with reality, will call *anyone* a liar or a paid CIA propagandist rather than accepting the simple truth -- that his alleg- iances lie with an organization, and with leaders of that organization, who left their humanity behind them decades ago, and are hardly fit to walk on planet Earth, much less "rule" it. In contrast, examine how Zoran reacts to this "hit" against him and these slurs against not only his gene pool but his integrity. He does what the vast majority of TMers should have done decades ago, and LAUGHS at these fanatics in denial. > Dear unanimous, > > I made an effort and expose myself to danger contacting wild, > criminal, killing-king Serb. Zoran, please note that few here besides Nabby hold you personally responsible for starting World War I. :-) > He told me that is irrelevant what was in the letters between > > him/Serb and Konhaus. He said that this was not a curt case > so that evidences should be presented. > > Open letter was an act of resignation from the movement on the > basis of his PERSONAL impression on Konhaus attitude. Are people > making resignation from movement on the basis of fantasies? A good question, and one that I'm sure Nabby will answer "Yes" to. That's how they hold onto their own fragile and shaky hopes and beliefs, by think- ing that anyone who rejects them is crazy, and acting out of "unstressing" or fantasy. > What do you think? What are your experiences? This is really the bottom line. For some, their experiences with the authoritarian control freaks whom Maharishi has placed in positions of power don't really sink their boat of hope. They prefer to carry on and ignore these outrages the way they were told to. Me, I think that they're being fool- ish, but it's their decision, not mine. Others looked at their own experiences and WALKED AWAY from this cesspool of hypocrisy. I identify more with them. > How many people left the movement? Do they need to present > their evidences here? Hopefully a few of them will. > Wild, criminal, killing-king Serb said IT WAS A PERSONAL ACT! But wild, criminal, king-killing Serb is Off The Program and unstressing, don't you see? Nothing he says can be taken seriously. THAT is what Nabby is trying to imply. THAT is what too many of the TM supporters on this forum ALWAYS try to imply when someone voices a criticism that they don't like. It's cult behavior, pure and simple -- shoot the messenger, ignore the message. > It is not the matter of Konhous, it is the matter of him/Serb > who wanted to stop his PERSONALY agony with that organization. > > Is that enough? No, to the fanatical TM True Believer that is NOT enough, Zoran. They want you to know that you have DONE WRONG. They want the same things that Konhaus did -- to make you feel GUILTY for not just obeying his royal decree, and in so doing doubting the cosmic wisdom of Maharishi and his appointed succes- sors. They want you to feel bad because by doubting their presumed authority you are doubting Maharishi himself. They want you to FEEL BAD. Don't. They're puny little pissants who haven't had a mind of their own in decades, and resent anyone who has one.
