--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > And... MMY's distinctions clarify things quite > > nicely, IMHO, since even someone who is > > having CC episodes might be at the point of > > no-return, while someone who is having UC > > episodes might not. > > Hey, Lawson and I agree on something! CC is simply the > cessation of identification of consciousness with any > space-time object. Hence consciousness, for the first > time stands "outside" of any objective or subjective > experience. There is no localization of self, in fact > there is no self, only consciousness which "contains" > all experience as the mind moves through waking, > dreaming and sleeping. > > > >
Right. My point was about the problem that BillyG says occurred when MMY chose to use "CC" to refer to this state, rather than some "more exalted" state. Turiyatta is turiyatta, no matter how the perception of the sensory world changes. Whether or not people have have had tuiyatta episodes lasting as long as 12 years, as was the case in that study I mentioned, > http://www.brainresearchinstitute.org/research/ConcCog2004.pdf is another question since you could have "Unity Consciousness" episodes for 12 years solid also and still not be fully realized as stably as a person in CC might be. Lawson
