--- In [email protected], "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> The very existence of words like selfishness and altruism points to 
> an important distinction. A psychopath would be at one extreme, a 
> Ghandi at another. Saying that love is all about feeding the self 
is 
> not something you'd want to teach children in school about - the 
> whole point of socialization and morality is to help people respond 
> to needs that are not entirely egocentric. So MMY's exposition, 
taken 
> at face value, seemed rather shallow and unhelpful, although I can 
> see that he was really trying to focus eventually on the self 
> expanding to the Self.
> 
> And yes we have plenty of historical examples of religious 
> exploitation, Christian and otherwise - the more important 
therefore 
> to ensure such things don't happen again especially within an 
> organization one cares about..
> 
> Group meditators showing compassion? Not unless there was such an 
> intention, although maybe a knowledge that this activity might 
> simultaniously serve both individual and social interests makes it 
> both important and worthwhile.
> 
> Perhaps I  camea cross as too "critical"; was just sharing a 
response 
> to what I saw & heard, which also happened to resonnate with 
concerns 
> about TMO practices - they do sometimes seem less compassionate and 
> altruistic than ideally I'd like them to be. I also had in mind my 
> previous post about bullying and compassion..

God helps he who helps himself. Helping onself is the ultimate 
compassion.

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