--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I use the term "dharma" to refer to a way of being
> > within the context of a particular state of
> > consciousness. Waking state is a particular way of
> > being that entails personal responsibility among
> many
> > other things. CC is a particular way of being that
> is
> > quite different in many ways from waking state. To
> > take an understanding of action from waking state
> and
> > then to try to comprehend an understanding of
> action
> > in CC will just create massive confusion. Of
> course
> > people do this all the time as a rationalization
> for
> > wrong action in waking state. They'll say such
> > nonsense as, "I didn't do it, the three gunas
> did." 
> 
> And this is different from, "I didn't do it,
> enlight-
> enment/eternity/natural law did," as spoken by
> someone
> claiming enlightenment exactly how?  :-)
> 
> Unc

If somebody claims enlightenment and then justifies or
defends his behavior by claiming that it is the three
gunas doing it ,is, in my book, quite entrenched in
ignorance. It is the justification or defense that
makes the difference here. Someone who is truly
enlightened can not defend their behavior nor claim
ownership of it. Its like the weather. It just
happens. But this understanding can not be used from
the perspective of waking state because it is not what
is even remotely experienced .



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