--- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I use the term "dharma" to refer to a way of being
> > > within the context of a particular state of
> > > consciousness. Waking state is a particular way of
> > > being that entails personal responsibility among
> > many
> > > other things. CC is a particular way of being that
> > is
> > > quite different in many ways from waking state. To
> > > take an understanding of action from waking state
> > and
> > > then to try to comprehend an understanding of
> > action
> > > in CC will just create massive confusion. Of
> > course
> > > people do this all the time as a rationalization
> > for
> > > wrong action in waking state. They'll say such
> > > nonsense as, "I didn't do it, the three gunas
> > did." 
> > 
> > And this is different from, "I didn't do it,
> > enlight-
> > enment/eternity/natural law did," as spoken by
> > someone
> > claiming enlightenment exactly how?  :-)
> > 
> > Unc
> 
> If somebody claims enlightenment and then justifies or
> defends his behavior by claiming that it is the three
> gunas doing it ,is, in my book, quite entrenched in
> ignorance. It is the justification or defense that
> makes the difference here. Someone who is truly
> enlightened can not defend their behavior nor claim
> ownership of it. Its like the weather. It just
> happens. But this understanding can not be used from
> the perspective of waking state because it is not what
> is even remotely experienced .
> 

The first time MMY said "Damn Democracy," I recall him as sounding 
quite startled. He then said that the transcendent was speaking 
through him or somesuch.




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