--- In [email protected], ruthsimplicity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well, if someone who is irritable after meditating doesn't follow the > instruction > > of taking longer to open the eyes and move around, can they truely be > said > > to be meditating properly? > > I am sure that some are not meditating properly. But I'll tell ya, my > first ex-husband was a siddha and followed all the recommendations and > he was one irritable guy after meditating. > > >
Did he keep increasing his flying time? That goes completely against all instructions. 5 minutes is the minimal amount for someone, but you shouldn't increase it past that unless your life is going *really well* in all aspects, for the past 6 months. Sounds like he couldn't claim that, from you standpoint. The exception would be for someone doing Yogic Flying in a grouop, but even there, 10 minutes would be the limit, unless he could claim his life was going wonderfully smoothly continously for the past 6 months before he increased the period of flying time. > > > > Too much of anything can be "too much." The blame for someone who > starts > > showing massive unstressing during rounding and continues with the > rounding > > lies with the person in charge of the rounding course who doesn't > admit that > > that person probably needs LESS meditatoin, not more. > > Yup. [...] > I do not believe in unstressing. The concept makes no sense to me > whatsoever. It is an explanation that cannot be disproved and is > conveniently presented when people have problems. Often "stressing" > seems to be a better explanation than "unstressing." > The process makes perfect sense. Relaxation due to less active mental activity, (apparently due to less thalimic-coritical loops) triggers unusual healing/normalization' mechanisms which lead to or include triggering of memories of the original stressor. So the process of meditation includes an "inner stroke" of less mental activity, followed by an outer stroke of greater mental activity, which can become pretty extreme in its intensity, good or bad, depending one what stress is being healed/normalized. It explains the whole range of phsyiological and mental/emotional experiences observed in TMers, including the most accute symptoms of unstressing and the most profound periods of mental quiescence, without having to evoke things that make no sense, such as "drove them insane." "Stress" in the TM lexicon being defined similarly to Hans Selye's definition (not surprising since he introduced MMY to the term and theory of stress 40 years ago) but goes a bit beyond it to include the concept of a virtually stress-free nervous system, in a state MMY refers to as CC. Now, if the person is showing symptoms before TM and they get worse, perhaps TM is exacerbating them. If they don't show the symptoms until after they start TM, perhaps TM is exacerbating them. That STILL could be considered "unstressing" or "normalization" of the nervous system, but if the amount of TM they are practicing is interfering with their ability to enjoy life, than obviously, they are mediating too much and should reduce. How MUCH they should reduce is the question. For someone with a 20x 2 practice, there's 40 potential choices. Most people here recommend the final choice without considering an intermediate value for the reduction as a test. The established benefits of at least SOME relaxation suggest that it might be worth doing in lesser amounts. Suggesting a cold-turkey withdrawl automatically as some do here, makes little sense to ME. Lawson
