Barry I like your take and I will get back to you later on about what
you said. Thanks very much for such clear expression.
Ken




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <kenhassman@> wrote:
> >
> > After reading many thousands of posts first at alt.tm then here 
> > I have the idea of writing a book about what I think of as The 
> > Other Side of Spiritual Growth.
> > 
> > With the new wave of Oprah-Eckhart Tolle, every magazine in 
> > creation touting some kind of yoga. and presenting only the 
> > "pro" side of living the Eastern or Spirit-based life, I have 
> > thought that there are many many people like me, and like others 
> > posting on FFLIfe, and many people here know of others, both 
> > TMers or some kind of other spiritual aspirants, who have lived 
> > the spiritual life only have things go awry as opposed to better. 
> > They do not necessarily turn into ardent bashers but they are 
> > experiencing disappointment, disillusionment and may have taken 
> > steps such as I have and many others have by getting out and
> > pursuing an independent life. 
> > 
> > I am looking for stories, first-person accounts from people, like 
> > me, who are not out to bash what they have done, but to express
> > themselves, addressing the disappointments and broken promises, 
> > their side of the story, how life may have taken a downturn inside 
> > of the opposite. Also, what you/they have done to create a change 
> > for yourself. Or if you/they even have. 
> 
> Ken, 
> 
> Since some have pooh-poohed your book idea, I'm 
> going to applaud it, but with reservations and
> suggestions. Please forgive the un-asked-for advice.
> 
> I think that a book full of stories of "Those Who
> Walked Away" could be valuable, *especially* in an
> age where many are catching the Oprah wave and 
> "walking to" groups and organizations that promise
> realization and/or happiness.
> 
> HOWEVER, while some focus on the "disappointments
> and broken promises" might be in order, I think that
> you will sabotage the value of your proposed book if
> you select stories that tend to repeat that theme
> ad nauseum.
> 
> What I think would be more valuable, and less whiny,
> is a book full of stories of Those Who Walked Away,
> but focusing on the fact that they were all "walking
> towards" something new, not merely walking away from
> something old. 
> 
> Making the decision to walk away from a long-held
> set of spiritual beliefs or from the company of those
> who believe similarly is heavy-duty. It is a *no less
> amazing* thing for a long-time TMer to walk away from
> the TM movement than for a long-time Catholic priest
> to walk away from the priesthood. And there are 
> traumas involved IN walking away.
> 
> But if you want to create a work of lasting value in
> the world of spiritual books, don't focus on what those
> who walked away were walking away *from*, but instead 
> on the act of walking away, and how that enabled them
> to find something more fulfilling. 
> 
> My fave songwriter, Bruce Cockburn, wrote a song a few
> years ago called "Strange Waters." It was his riff on
> the 23rd Psalm, and dealt with his *own* "walking away" 
> from too-rigidly-held Christian beliefs and "walking 
> towards" something lighter and more flexible. The last 
> line of the song reflects, IMO, the distinction I'm 
> trying to make. It goes, "If I loose my grip, will I 
> take flight?"
> 
> Bruce loosed his grip on beliefs that had grown para-
> lyzing for him, and the result was being able to walk 
> freely again. A similar theme is found in the video of 
> Henry Miller that do.rflex posted last night, in which he
> relates the Zen parable of the student who studies his
> Zen diligently for many years, but who only experiences
> satori when, on a trip outside the monastery, he takes
> a prostitute up on her offer and gets himself laid.
> 
> SO MUCH of the dogma of spiritual disciplines and relig-
> ions is aimed at getting people NOT to "walk away." It's 
> all about "WE have the 'highest path.' There is nowhere 
> you could go where you will find higher knowledge or a 
> faster path to what you seek than WE possess. Therefore
> you should *stay where you are*. To leave our path is to
> leave the spiritual path, period."
> 
> Sound familiar? It should. That was the essential message
> of the TMO for decades, and still is. 
> 
> And yet.
> 
> And yet, as you say, one reads the stories of those who
> ignored this insistent dogma and DID walk away, and the
> bottom line is often NOT bitterness, NOT having left the
> spiritual path for good, but a sense of freedom and having 
> "walked to" something better and brighter (for them) than 
> what they had walked away from.
> 
> Me, I don't think that the *particular* "new thing" that
> these people found that they had "walked towards" is very
> important. I think that the important thing -- the exercise
> of will and intent and personal power that made spiritual 
> progress possible for them -- is to be found more in the 
> act of walking away itself than in the thing one eventually
> finds oneself walking to. 
> 
> The act of walking away places one of necessity in "Begin-
> ner's Mind," in a state where one is OPEN to new experience.
> It is THAT act IMO that allows one to loose one's grip and 
> take flight. Once you find yourself flying, it almost doesn't 
> matter what direction you fly in. The important thing was 
> taking that first leap, NOT the "disappointments and 
> disillusionments" that led you to take it.
> 
> Just my opinion...
>


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