--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Jun 14, 2005, at 12:35 PM, Llundrub wrote:
> 
> >
> > I assume that they actually experienced what they were talking
about,
> > and which can be still experienced by anybody today. This whole
> > approach rests on a transfer of spiritual knowledge from teacher
to
> > student, which is so essential in Tantra - for which the Atharva
Veda
> > is the direct ancester btw.
> >  
> > ---------The Atharva Veda is the most tantric Veda, but it isn't
the 
> > predecessor of tantra. In all Yajnas a representative of each
Veda 
> > participates.
> 
> It's interesting Lhund, when we see someones response like
Trinity's 
> above, it's clear they already bought into the trend of
Vaishnaivism in 
> Hinduism since the middles age (in general) and the puritanical 
> component in Hinduism that has risen since the British brought 
> Christianity and Theosophy to the fore (in particular)--

Gosh, I forgot, one more conspiration theory. The British are
responsible for Hinduism as we know it today.  In reality - as per
your confused and misguided opinion - the whole Vedanta is dravidian,
yeah, I forgot.


> but they never 
> even realized that this is what they were doing. It's a picture of 
> decline and typical of the declining truth in western forms of 
> Hinduism, e.g. 'everything comes from the Vedas'. I find the
comment 
> that the tantras comes from the Atharva Veda typical of those who
never 
> question what they were fed.

Not everything comes from the Vedas. The Artharvaveda was also not
figuring with the original three Vedas, but you can see in it already
many of the tendencies of the later Tantras. In the Yajurveda
Brahmanas and Samhita re mingled together, and it already features one
Upanishad, which is actually part of the Samhita: The Isha. So, there
is a developement, which straight leads from the Vedas to the
Brahmanas Aranyakas to the Upanishads, the Gita and the Tantras. But I
didn't say that this developed in a culturally steril environment.





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