--- In [email protected], t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Irmeli: My conceptual 
> > framework is actually modern psychology. I have studied very 
little 
> > of the eastern traditions. In the guru relationship I actually 
see 
> > the child/parent relationship put on stage, to be able to as an
> adult 
> > to go through the incomplete and stagnated individualization
> process 
> > of a child.

t3rinity: 
> It has many components. The Bhagavatam counts nine different
> relationship to ones spritual preceptor, child/parent being one of
> them. It also can be friend, Lover, master, or even you are the 
parent
> and god is the child. Anandamayi Ma used to call herself 'your 
child'.
> Whatever it is, it needs to be deep in order to be transformative, 
and
> I doubt if western psychology is the ideal tool to determine it.You
> would judge it from a wrong and incomplete perspective, even though 
it
> may play its role sometimes.
> 
> So, easily people get carried away, not really knowing or
> understanding the background of something, and condemning it.

Irmeli:
I wouldn't call it being carried away if I express my understanding 
of guru relationship and of the possible abuse of that relationship.
It is not condemning,it is discussing, being in a dialogue. If 
somebody disagrees, he can express his understanding of the topic and 
that way help me understand better the nuances. I appreciate very 
high the freedom of thought as long as its purpose is to express 
one's true understanding even if it might be limited.

Irmeli
> therefore.




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