--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In [email protected], "Hugo" <richardhughes103@> 
> wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> > Excellent video. I love that people do stuff like 
> > this. Making crop circles must be the most quaint 
> > hobby of English hippies that still goes on. A 
> > duo called Doug and Dave started making them in 
> > the 70s to see if any folk myths would start around
> > them. For twenty years they never told a soul what 
> > they got up to! And look what's happened.
> > 
> > Many more do it now though, they even have yearly get
> > togethers and discuss tactics and yet there are 
> > plenty who belive there are some you couldn't make
> > with a garden roller and bit of rope and that 
> > aliens or Earth magic must be involved. Some of
> > teh circle makers even believe they are possesed
> > to do it by Earth spirits as a warning against mans 
> > environmental destruction.
> 
> True. And others, who've read enough of the research
> to realize the likelihood of the circles all having
> been made by human beans with a rope and a board is
> virtually nil, don't propose any explanations for
> them.

They said the same thing about Bill Witherspoons mandala
in the desert. Did you hear of him? I saw a movie about
him on a TM course once, he's an artist who likes to spend
a lot of time in the desert. On one sabbatical he hit upon
the idea of making a huge mandala by scraping the top layer
of rocks away (I think it was that, but whatever). What it
takes is a lot of planning, a compass, some rope and a few
friends. And they did it, big enough so it could only be
seen from the air, and left it. It was discovered by some 
airforce pilots and the "experts" were called in, who 
declared that it couldn't have been the work of man. Bill
owned up and it was red-faces all round for the "experts".
For every expert there is an equal and opposite expert, in
the paranormal thats truer than ever.

Point is, when we were talking about the tape afterwards
I said that it should be shown to people who think crop
circles are supernatural in some way, and some really 
objected and insisted the crop circles they'd seen were 
"real" as though they hadn't just seen someone do something
absolutely identical! I was amazed, It's a will to believe
people have that blinds them to the obvious I think.
 
I look at the really complex crop designs and try to work
out where they started and how many swings with the roller
it would have took, it's never as many as it looks, these
guys are clever. I think that if someone could fake 
something then there is no reason to suspect that other 
examples weren't also faked, especially as there are groups
who admit to doing it even if they claim it's part of some
Gaia ritual they feel impelled to do. I'd love to think
there was something to it but I've become sceptical over
the years.

Did you see the one from Kent when the Tour de France went
through England for the first time? Would you believe I
can't find a picture of it anywhere on the web! I think the
CC sites must be being rather selective in their choice of
data. 

PS It was a bicycle, of course.


 
> Doug and Dave had quite a scam going there for a
> while. Most people never realized that more than 200
> crop circles had been reported prior to 1970, when
> D&D started making them.

Someone else was at it eh? Will we ever know for sure;-)
I think the earliest was in the 17th century. I always
hope there is something otherworldy to anything like
this whether it's UFOs bigfoot or whatever, maybe some
news will come out one day that settles it. My money is
on ropes'n'rollers.

Until then check this out:

http://www.circlemakers.org/

 
> If you're interested, Curtis and I discussed crop
> circles at some length in September of last year.
> I provided URLs to some of the research. The thread
> title was "New Crop Circles."

Cheers, I am interested. Shall check it out.

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