ruthsimplicity wrote: > --- In [email protected], Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> ruthsimplicity wrote: >> >>> --- In [email protected], Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: >>> >>> >>>> ruthsimplicity wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Tell me, what can you cure with 50 cents worth of spices? I favor >>>>> evidenced based medicine. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> And I favor medicine that has survived for over 5000 years. I can >>>> > bet > >>>> you little of today's allopathic medicine will be around 5000 years >>>> >>>> >>> from >>> >>> >>>> now. As an example cinnamon has been known in ayurveda to be >>>> > useful > >>>> for diabetes and now I note it is available in capsules even at the >>>> local drugstore. How much have you actually looked into >>>> > alternative > >>>> methods? You might find some very useful. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Yes, cinnamon is good for you. But it won't cure diabetes. >>> >> I didn't say it cured it did I, Ruth? Read what I said above! Don't >> > be > >> another arrogant and elitist MD who thinks they are smarter than >> > anyone > >> else. >> > > I am smarter, faster, better looking, have perfect pitch and am on the > verge of enlightenment! I am, I tell ya! > > Sorry, I did not mean to come off as elitist. The problem is that many > people seem to look at some of these remedies as more more than what > they are, as cures when they are not. It is possible that cinnamon > might help lower blood sugar levels, though the jury is still out. And > people have to watch not too take too much as the coumarin in cinnamon > can have a blood thinning effect or can harm your liver. But people > hear cinnamon is good so they might think that a lot is better. > Yes, I am aware of that too. That's why I send people to actual practitioners. I had a friend go hog wild on licorice because she thought is would keep vata calmed and would up with Grave's Disease. I leave it to you to see the connection. ;-) I told her if she was going to mess with ayurveda to at least take a weekend workshop as there is an excellent ayurvedic college where she lives. People will also abuse allopathic medicines too as I'm sure everyone is aware to say the least.
> The thing is, supplements are drugs too. Too much can cause harm. They > can interact with other drugs that you take. For example, St. John's > wort can reduce the effectiveness of anti-rejection drugs transplant > people take. Some have actually ended up rejecting the transplanted > organ as a result of taking St. John's wort. > Heard of that too. Some doctor's will ask if you are taking any herbs or supplements nowadays. I'm surprised at the ones that don't. A few years ago I had a tooth extraction and the oral surgeon sent me home with Vioxx. That stuff made me so vata I even though it no longer used since found to be dangerous I just added it to my medical allergies so they don't give me anything similar. I think banning Ephedra (Ma Huang) was silly. First off, it grows wild (some folks here may have some in their garden but not know it). And secondly every bottle I ever bought had the contraindications clearly spelled out. Again big pharma didn't want people to use anything but their synthetic version. People can kill themselves drinking too much water too. Show we control that? > Yet we do next to nothing to require research on safety and > effectiveness. And there is no standards of purity or strength. > The supplement and herb industry will agree with you. They want standards too. They just don't want to give it over the pharmaceutical companies who will do a "pull the ladder up" to keep them out of the game. > The drugs a physician may prescribe can be as natural as that > supplement. Taxol, a major anti-cancer drug, is from the bark of the > yew tree. Aspirin came from the willow tree, where people noted that > pain was reduced when they chewed its leaves. So nature brings us > valuable drugs. There is no bright line. So I really don't want to > diss your supplements. I just want to see safety and effectiveness > before they are recommended. Of course I know that too. You're talking to somebody though not a practitioner (I did consider it), took workshops, hung out with a lot of alternative physicians and discussed these things. We have also had big pharma trying to patent many of the herbs so only they could use them. India got wise and patented them themselves so anyone could use them. They're not my supplements, they're everyone's. So Sal, if ayurveda is junk science, just why was big pharma bothering with patents on herbs?
