On Jun 18, 2005, at 7:55 PM, sparaig wrote:

> And the irony of your comments is that they have nothing to do with
> TM...

Absolutely they do--as the discussion directly relates to TM. That is, 
if you are able to think outside the TM box. TM belongs to a class of 
meditation that is generally known as "shamatha" or "shinay". There are 
literally dozens (if not hundreds) of styles of shinay. TM is a very 
basic form of shinay, but ideas about the calm state/the "transcendent" 
are still important discuss. These are, IMO, esp. important if you are 
"stuck" in the TM and TM-speak metaphors.



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