Thank you. Llundrup - I learn something new every day. Ingegerd --- In [email protected], "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think what Bob means is that if a person can hold a house in one hand then they cannot use the mantra OM. > > Oh, I see you used the plural - householders. In this case the same applies. If one can hold a house in two hands then they cannot use the mantra OM. > > On the other hand, what constitutes use exactly? For instance, I once worked with someone who said they were a great chef, who used an old garden trowel for a pie spatula. It certainly had a poor effect upon his reputation and earning ability. > > Maybe one shouldn't clear their throat because it sounds like Om. > > Men technically shouldn't pluck their eyebrows. > > The reason oysters shouldn't be eaten certain months is that they also need to live. > > Chickens cross the road because they weren't eaten. > > Chicken Little was a chicken and shouldn't have been held to a level of human understanding. > > Mantras like words can be used to voice ones own aspirations or to toe the company line. In either case a dictionary never hurts. > > None of the above. > > Use it or lose it. > > Om or Mo, who knows? > > I mixed too many weird foods today so I couldn't sleep and just threw up. I'll still eat Mexican food though in the future. > > Om Mani Peme Hung. > > Om Tare Tutare Ture Soha. > > Om Bhu Om Bhuvaha Om Swaha Om Maha Om Janaha Om Tapaha Om Satyam > Om tat savitur varenyam bhargo devasya dimahi diyo yonaha prachodiyat. > > Om Hoom Joom Sah Om Triam Bhakam Yajamahe Sugandhim Pushti Vardenam Urvar Ukamikam Bandhinan Mrityur Mookshaya Mamritat Sah Joom Hoom Om. > > I'm still standing.... > > Intention is everything. > > This is probably why Shiva has been excluded from the TMO. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ingegerd > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 3:00 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques > > > I have a question about Ohm. > I got some mantras from one of MMY Pudits - a Professor in Sanskrit - > and the instruction how to use it - and they contain Ohm. I am > meditating TM of course - but when I use the Mantras with OHM, they > are very powerful and blissfull - and gives a lot of energy. So when > you say "householders", do you only mean celebacy - or do you mean > common activities in the society as well. I have a lot of common > activities in society, and I do not find The Ohm mantras are any > hindrance for that. Quite opposite, I think. > So I was really surprised when I in this Forum, learned the Ohm- > Mantras in not for women. > Ingegerd > > > --- In [email protected], bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Robert Gimbel > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what Maharishi has said about the AUM sound; > > > > > > > > > > OM is the first sound of creation, it contains all the energy in an > > undifferentiated form that is later structured by the hymns of the > > Vedas. So if you are living in a cave, using OM as a mantra, which > > aligns one with the undifferentiated, is OK, since a cave dweller > does > > not need to function in society. But OM (used a mantra for > meditation, > > not just the occasional use in saying a prayer or whatever) is a > > problem for a householder who needs to function in many > differentiated > > ways, that's why there are householder mantras (derived from the > Rig > > Veda). As far as ladies not using OM as a mantra, I have read a lot > of > > Vedic literature and I don't recall any (human) ladies following > the > > recluse path (although there were certainly some fascinating > stories of > > ladies leading their husbands to enlightenment like Queen Cuddala > does > > for Sikhidvaja in the Yoga Vasistha), so because the householder > path > > is the way to go for ladies, this would lead to barring the > possibility > > of use of OM mantra for ladies. > > > > > > Maharishi on sanyasi mantra (OM): > > > > http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/beacon/beacon2.shtml > > > > "he mantras that suit the Sanyasis can never suit the householders. > > Hundreds of God-loving and God-fearing families, have been ruined > due > > to the destructive effects of Sanyasa Mantra viz, "Om". "Om" > destroys > > desires and also destroys the objects of desires and therefore it > > produces calmness of mind and renunciation and detachment from > material > > life only to Sanyasis when they repeat Om; to them it brings the > > experience of peace of mind and from this experience they generally > > recommend the chanting of 'Om' to their followers. But when a > > householder repeats Om, he experiences that as long as he is > > repeating 'Om' he feels peace of mind, but when he comes out to > indulge > > in business or household work, he finds that the air is against his > > desire and schemes. The silencing effect on the mind and > destructive > > effects in material life, both are experienced side by side. Some > > people say that we should ignore material life in regard to the > > devotional practices and Mantras. But this is a fool's ideology. > Can > > you possibly ignore the considerations of material life, when the > > Mantras do affect it? Select a path which will make you happier in > your > > material life also. Do not live in a fool's paradise. Do not think > that > > your sufferings end miseries of today will work as reservations in > the > > galleries of heaven for tomorrow. Be peaceful and happy in the > present > > and try to make this state permanent. This is the path of > Deliverance > > in Life Jeevan-Mukti, the most exalted state in human existence, > the > > state of abiding Peace and Eternal Bliss. And this you are entitled > to > > have through correct and suitable Sadhana. And because the Mantras > play > > an important role in the field of Sadhana, you must be very very > > careful in the selection of the Mantra. The theory of Mantras is > the > > theory of sound. It is most scientific and natural. Ladies should > never > > repeat any Mantra beginning with Om. The pronounciation of Om is > like > > fire to the ladies. This is the practical experience of many > devoted > > ladies who repeated 'Om Namah Shivaya' or 'Om Namonarayanaya' > or 'Om > > Namo Bhagwate Vasudevaya' or any such mantra beginning with Om. It > > cannot be God's wish that you should suffer in your devotion to > him. Do > > not cling to the unhelpful Mantras. The moment you find you have > got > > into the wrong train, it is wise to get down from it as soon as > > possible. It is foolish to stick on to the wrong train and go > wherever > > it takes you." > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! 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