--- In [email protected], t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: <snip> > > I remember we were told it *might* pick up the > > feeling, but it might not. > > At your initiation, 2nd day checking?
Yes, and at subsequent advanced lectures and residence courses. I must tell you that whatever > you are being told is paraphrased. The teacher uses his own words. My > notes say: (translated from german): 'The quality of the stress > determines the quality of thought.' > > Then it gives the example I just had given, of the joy causing a > stress in the past, and how the mind picks up the feeling and > associates it with the coming of a friend. Whatever it associates it > with is not important, obviously, it's arbitrary. > > My course was in July 1977, Avoriaz. I have been to an update 1981, > redoing all the tests. There was no change. I have no explanation for the discrepancy, then. <snip> > > Not sure what you mean by "phantastic," > > I mean it positive. It serves its purpose towards our attitude towards > thoughts in meditation. It gives you motivation to continue and a > sense of progress, even if you have no special experiences. Thats > positive, as perseverance in practise is looked upon as essential in > all traditions. My understanding has been that progress is something you look for in your daily life, not in meditation per se. > > but I > > don't see how the TM model precludes instant > > enlightenment. > > I didn't say it precludes instant enlightenment. I'd rather say it > excludes it. Same difference. > TM people will not easily accept that it is possible to > get enlightened, simply by making an innner recognition. The idea is > always you have to release all the stresses one by one, and unless > you do that you can't be enlightened. Well, it's an idea I never picked up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
