--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In [email protected], Rick
> Archer
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > on 6/25/05 9:30 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Jun 25, 2005, at 10:19 PM, sparaig wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >>>>> Not quite that simple :-) In the final
> > > stages it is possible 
> > > to
> > > > >>>>> "transcend" for four hours at a time,
> > > effortlessly. One sits
> > > > >> down,
> > > > >>>>> decides how long they will meditate and
> > > finishes when they 
> > > intend
> > > > >>>> to.
> > > > >>>> 
> > > > >>>> And you have documentation of this?
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>> Well yes, the text themselves, but more
> > > important are good oral
> > > > >>> instructions.
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> I meant proof that this is what happens...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yeah besides being a long known and
> practiced
> > > phenomenon in many 
> > > of the
> > > > > eastern schools, there has been some
> scientific
> > > research going on 
> > > with
> > > > > this for quite some time. The Dalai Lama has
> > > been meeting with 
> > > leading
> > > > > scientists for years on subjects like these.
> > > > 
> > > > Can the Dalai Lama himself do this sort of
> thing?
> > > What is his 
> > > degree of
> > > > spiritual attainment? As you know, Maharishi
> has
> > > derided him as "a
> > > > politician," implying superficiality. It would
> be
> > > interesting to 
> > > hear the
> > > > real story.
> > > 
> > > And how would you know that it is the real
> story?
> > > Does the Dali Lama 
> > > hook himself up to EEG machines for scientists
> to
> > > look at?
> > 
> > And why do you assume an EEG machine would
> validate
> > the depth of one's spirituality? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Ah sorry, didn't realize that we'd stopped talking
> about scientific 
> research...

Sorry, I turned down Philosophy avenue a couple of
post back. Did you see that new ontological square
back there?



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