--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Jun 28, 2005, at 1:33 PM, johnlasher20002000 wrote:
> 
> > There seems to be a difference between Maharishi's description of
> > samyama and that of most other saints.
> 
> Indeed.
> 
> In samkhya one will want to cultivate the virtues which allows 
> spontaneous attainment siddhis to manifest as ones practices 
> progresses. These represent helpful qualities for ones practice, 
e.g. 
> the ability to make awareness incredibly small would help with the 
> discrimination of very subtle objects in awareness.
> 
> With samyama, samyama is traditionally done in a particular 
sequence on 
> the body. This not only awakens shakti completely, but helps with 
the 
> skills necessary for samadhi. The yogis one can find in India who 
push 
> needles through their arm, etc. are all yogis who used these 
> accomplishments not for their practice, but for money. One of the 
major 
> side-effects of samyama on various parts of the body is that you 
can 
> paralyze various body parts. In the higher absorptions, this will 
aid 
> in total sense withdrawal and stillness of the body for long 
periods of 
> time.
> 
> Samyama, still being a dualistic form of meditation, is still 
subject 
> to using a cause to manifest an effect. Thus when one uses a 
magical 
> formula, one exhausts a cause--accumulated virtues--and manifests a 
> particular form--the siddhi (e.g. "yogic hopping"). If the 
underlying 
> intent of the action is not for something greater than ego, it 
tends to 
> result in forms of spiritual narcissism and egocentricity. This no 
> doubt forms much of the basis for the almost universal insistence 
that 
> if we are interested in enlightenment, the yogic siddhis are best 
> avoided. Lacking a good motivation, the yogic siddhis tend to 
cultivate 
> a form of "narcissus" where we must endlessly discuss our 
experiences 
> rather than manifesting the state-beyond-discussion of  meditative 
> experiences characteristic of the state of enlightenment. We 
exhaust 
> virtue and replace it with ego. Thus we fall into inferior rebirth 
as 
> we plant more causes characteristic of the seeds of those 
dimensions. A 
> brief rise causes a fall and the cycle of samsara puts us thru the 
wash 
> cycle again and again. The virtues necessary for the manifestation 
of 
> enlightenment disappear.

This explains the TMers participation on the list, but what is your 
excuse?




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