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Look at your own stats a little closer. Netherlands
in 99 had 19 suicides US - 21. Hmm How big are the Netherlands? About 15.8
Mil. And the US? 273 mil. Now I'm not a math wizz like you but it seems that
would make Netherlands have a GROSSLY higher per capita suicide
rate.
And what does it say when Norway, which is 1/4 its
size has twice the GNP of good times Netherlands? Oh but Im sure the fact that
many individuals have to pay 60% of their wages to the government to support the
unemployed and socialistic government has nothing to do with that. I mean who
wouldn't want the government spending your money the way they see fit ?Makes you
want to get upo in the morning and work, work, work.
Although their red light district with their
wonderfully shaporoned working girls is probabably one of the larger sources of
income for the country.
In conclusion I would just like to say a big "Fuck
you" to Mr. Anonymous who decided to make this personal.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 2:14
PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animals
self-medicate...go figure
--- In [email protected],
"Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...>
wrote:
> Ya - no brainer lets be like the Dutch. They're so happy
that they
have one of the highest suicide rates in the world,
Actually, male suicide rates are higher in the US (and US has
much
higher male homicide rates). Female suicide rates about 1/4 of
those
of male in both countries, is slightly higher in the
Netherlands
relative to the US. Overall rates are higher in US.
http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suiciderates/en/
>
and they're so productive that they have one of the lowest GNPs in
the
world
> Well, not really. 17th. And 7 or so of the countries above
them are
tiny -- So they are in top 10 of countries of "size". About the
same
level as Canada. Higher than France, Germany, Spain,
Austraila,
Greece, Portugal, Singapore, Taiwan, italy, Greece, Korea
...
http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/infopays/rank/PNBH2.html
>for
their size mostly because their taxation rate is over 50%
Corporate tax
rate is 35%, about average, internationally. Lower than
France and
Germany.
Marginal individual tax rates are 60%, high for my taste, but
similar
to France, Germany, Sweeden, etc. And remember thats the top
marginal
rate, which only applies to some upper level of income. Its NOT
the
average rate. Average rates are quite below 50% (your figure).
Their
marginal rate compares to US 35%, previously 39.5% marginal rate.
But
with state taxes that can be close to 45% now (50% a pre Bush).
But
Netherlands has no capital gains tax. And their social service
levels
are much higher, including health care. And so depending on mix
of
income to investments, taking indo account US state taxes, and
health
individually paid health costs, the total tax rates may not be
much
higher than in US.
http://www.accf.org/publications/reports/sr-intcomparisoncap1998.html
>and
about 1/3 of their population is on the dole.
That would imply a 30+%
unemployment rate. That certainly is not correct.
> Their red-light
district is a world-famous haven for drugs of all kinds
Actually, they
are quite harsh on harder drugs. They made the policy
decision to be lax on
pot and strict on heroin etc.
as well as prostitution
Um
well what would you expect in a red light district? Prosititution
is
rampant in the US too. Only its called "Escort Services". At least
in
Amsterdam, the girls are all tested for diseases once a week, and
their is
no pimp abuse, or john abuse of working girls. And much less
stigma to
working in the worlds oldest profession.
>including
child-prostitution
per yor experience?
>So ya let's take a
lesson frm the Dutch - good times!
Yeah, they have some good things to
teach us, per unc's stats.
So Mark, you are the one who appears to be
smoking pot, or is it just
because your head is up your ass.
:)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: TurquoiseB
> To:
[email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005
3:55 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animals
self-medicate...go figure
>
>
> --- In
[email protected], Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > on 6/25/05 7:54 PM, lurkernomore20002000 at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> >
> I know, it would seem logical to legalize pot. But I have
heard
> > > knowledgeale people on the front lines,
with no obvious agenda
> > > except to effectively
deal with the problem, make a convincing
> > >
argument that it is a gateway drug.
> >
> > Maybe it is. But maybe it depends on your
personality or level
> > of maturity. I think I
have or had an addictive personality. As
> > a teenager,
I "progressed" from alcohol to pot (so maybe alcohol
> >
is a gateway drug too) to LSD (which I still don't regret) to
> > dabbling in heavier things - barbiturates, meth,
heroin. Many
> > kids I knew became junkies. But kids
behave that way. Many college
> > kids are binge
drinkers. Kids experiment at that age. I know
>
adults
> > who may smoke a joint occasionally, but for
them, it is
> > clearly not a gateway to anything
heavier.
>
> The bottom line in this debate probably
belongs to the
> Dutch. In the Netherlands marijuana
has been quasi-
> legal and freely available for over 30
years. So what
> are the statistics for marijuana use
in the Netherlands?
>
> Less than 5% of the
population have ever even bothered
> to try it.
>
> Compare and contrast to the US, where in some
states
> simple possession can land you in jail for a
mandatory
> ten years. Well over 50% of the population
has tried it.
>
> Seems like a no-brainer to
me...
>
> Unc
>
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