--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <babajii...@...> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <geezerfreak@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <babajii_99@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <geezerfreak@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "guyfawkes91" <guyfawkes91@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I see it as a race against time and betting on creating a higher
> > > > > > level of consciousness through current work (pundits, yagyas,
> > > > > > groups, etc.,)so that people will be attracted to TM - though this
> > > > > > last point will be like a red flag to a bull for some here on FFL.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the number of people in the TMO continues to decline through
> > > > > > age/death etc., and there are no new people coming in,
> > > > > > money/buildings and so on will not work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When I was still aligned with TMO, even in early 90's it was clear
> > > > > > to me from friends who worked closer to the inner circle than me
> > > > > > (not difficult), MMY clearly stated to his inner circle that he
> > > > > > realized that he was not going to achieve what he had intended in
> > > > > > his lifetime ("in this generation").
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Science
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's quite sad really. It's a hail mary pass with nearly zero chance
> > > > > of success. I can see that the general idea is that people inside the
> > > > > TMO think the reason people outside aren't attracted to learn TM is
> > > > > because of lack of "coherence" in collective consciousness. So the
> > > > > reasoning goes that by doing yagyas and creating large groups of
> > > > > flyers more people will be attracted. It allows the idea to develop
> > > > > that because there's going to be a phase transition and suddenly
> > > > > everyone will bow down to the almighty Rajas that it's OK to piss
> > > > > people off and flush all the goodwill down the toilet because new
> > > > > goodwill will be generated "after the phase transition".
> > > > >
> > > > > What's happened, and to an extent is still happening, is that the
> > > > > real value, the human resources and general goodwill is being run
> > > > > down and replaced with fantasy value in the form of buildings and
> > > > > land. For an organization that wants to get its idea across,
> > > > > buildings and land have very little value compared with credibility
> > > > > and goodwill in the world. You can easily convert goodwill into
> > > > > property, but it's hard to go the other way.
> > > > >
> > > > > But of course we know that the reality is that loads of people would
> > > > > learn TM anyway if only the price was right, teachers could earn a
> > > > > living and the people in the TMO didn't behave like a lot of idiots.
> > > > > TM on it's own is very good, most people get some benefit and a lot
> > > > > are willing to encourage others. The fact that people who leave the
> > > > > official movement and teach independently have no problem attracting
> > > > > customers is an irritant in more ways than one. Firstly it's
> > > > > irritating because the TMO doesn't get the money, but mostly it's
> > > > > irritating because it shows up the TMO and makes people inside the
> > > > > TMO start to doubt the overall strategy and think that maybe, just
> > > > > maybe the reason more people aren't learning TM isn't because of lack
> > > > > of coherence, maybe they're doing something wrong (duhhhhhhh!). We're
> > > > > dealing with very slow learners here.
> > > > >
> > > > > At some point the slow learners might realize that charging very high
> > > > > prices, taking all the profit away from the teachers, dressing up as
> > > > > kings and living in a fantasy world might not be the best way to
> > > > > attract lots of people. Some cracks are starting to appear and
> > > > > reality is starting to dawn, but it's like dealing with a mental
> > > > > patient who's coming out of a very florid psychosis or someone coming
> > > > > down from a very intense acid trip in which they've lost the plot.
> > > > > There's a growing half recognized feeling that things which they
> > > > > believed to be true, aren't actually true, but insight into their
> > > > > condition hasn't yet broken through.
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently the donations from wealthy people are supporting the
> > > > > delusionists. The DLF makes it look like if only some money could be
> > > > > got together for one last push then everything would come out right.
> > > > > In 5 to 10 years time that idea will be wearing a bit thin.
> > > > >
> > > > > Eventually people might realize that the reason Maharishi couldn't
> > > > > achieve what he wanted "in this generation" wasn't lack of coherence,
> > > > > but simple stupidity and delusional thinking. If the TMO hadn't gone
> > > > > off into a fantasy world but had stayed engaged with reality and
> > > > > stayed focused on just teaching TM, then the situation would be a lot
> > > > > brighter than it is.
> > > > >
> > > > > At that point, the fact that all the real wealth, in the form of
> > > > > intangible goodwill has been sucked out of the movement over the last
> > > > > 30 years to support plans that haven't worked is going to be a very
> > > > > hard idea to get to grips with. All those buildings and property
> > > > > assets that Maharishi put his faith in will be seen as worthless when
> > > > > there's no one to fill them or make use of them. It will take time,
> > > > > but that awful realization will come, and then the movement will have
> > > > > a chance again to grow.
> > > > >
> > > > > What would help people get out of their delusions is if they could
> > > > > see the full extent of all the dubious business dealings that have
> > > > > gone on in the last 20 years. There are very good reasons why Bevan
> > > > > refuses to publish a full independent audit of the entire global
> > > > > operation. Like you say the full extent of the property assets will
> > > > > not become generally known. Which is why people should try to piece
> > > > > together a full picture from whatever scraps are available. If people
> > > > > at the top of the organization want to keep people away from finding
> > > > > out about the finances then that's a good reason to find out as much
> > > > > as possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not hard to begin to get a rough idea from published accounts
> > > > > that are available online. The tricky bit is finding out about the
> > > > > finances of the Indian movement so cash flows can be matched up. Also
> > > > > all the property deals in foreign places need tracing. Where could we
> > > > > start?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Very well put! The first step, as I've said many times, is to follow
> > > > the money honey! Find out where all the money is going, where it has
> > > > gone.
> > > > (space snip)
> > > Sorry, the divorce is final...the money is gone...but it's not about
> > > money...
> > > Don't ya git it.
> > > It's not about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
> > > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$...
> > > It's about creating an atomosphere of love, or whatever you want to call
> > > it...
> > > People have the money.
> > > It's not about the money.
> > > Repeat after me: 'It's not about the money!'
> > > R.g.
> > >
> > Sorry man, can't do that. To the Shrivastava/Varma clan it IS about the
> > money and has been for quite some time. Allow yourself to consider this
> > Bob. Try it. I've tried it your way long ago.
> >
> > At the same time, I willingly admit that I don't KNOW without a shred of
> > doubt. And neither do you. But it's what I feel from everything I have seen
> > first hand and heard.
> >
> The Shiva/Varma clan had been doing this for longer than you or I.
> You cannot win against them.
> That money is their's, and you won't get it back...
> So, getting stuck on how to get the money back, will keep you trapped in that
> mode, and prevent you from doing anything else, constructive.
>
> Besides, it would be easier to get the money from someone like Bill
> Gates...as he is more of a 'Hippie'...
> R.G.
>
Robert, I get what you are saying but I do NOT want the money back. (I'm sure
there are people who do however.) No, that's not my point at all.
I think it is important for people to understand what has been going on
here.....many do not Robert. They may have their private suspicions but they
really do not get what this is all about and has been for quite some time.
Yes....besides money it's equally about power and ego. MMY could not have
possibly made that more obvious at the end could he? He asked for his followers
to build giant towers to his greatness for chrissakes!
Watch carefully over the next could of years. Let's see if the
Shrivastava/Varma clan really wants to keep shelling out for the Vlodrop crew.
THIS is where the action is going to be. I say they will not....that when the
Vlodrop gang stops bringing in more money than they cost they are
gonzo.....gone.
