priceless! the two 'enlightened' poseurs in the same post! both peddling their towering, stinky mountains of BS to the rest of us.
wow- both of you guys are going to wake up one day and realize what colossal jackasses you have made of your selves here...in print no less. it is a testament to how lost any of us can become dabbling in spiritual topics, without taking them to heart; how day after day, Turq makes stuff up about himself, and says it is about everyone else BUT him, while "Vaj" speaks in language that only the most dedicated dope smoker would understand, and has convinced himself that the rest of the world is too dense to perceive the radiant pearls of intellectual wisdom that issue from his lips. what a comedy routine the two of you are- get a cable channel, you could sell this stuff for big laughs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_re...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > Interesting in a post ostensibly about the diminishing > > of destructive emotions, how many decided to share theirs. > > Isn't it? > > And isn't it even more interesting how many of > the people "sharing" these destructive emotions > don't even recognize them *as* destructive > emotions, and thus would never avail themselves > of technologies to reduce or eliminate them? > > In a way, it´s a parallel to the recent attempts > by several posters to glorify the intellect and > claim it is not synonymous with ego, all while > engaged in a *ferocious* intellectual battle that > has *no other purpose* except to demonstrate that > their ego is superior to someone else's. > > It's been one of the most amusing scenes I've ever > encountered here on FFL, and that's saying a lot. :-) > > Emptybill's tirade, while on one level wanting to > "set the record straight" as he sees it, was none- > theless *obviously* Yet Another Ego Battle with > Vaj, who is *just as obviously* an ongoing burr > under the saddle of his own rather overweaning > ego. It's gettin' a bit old, Bill. Your claim is > that Vaj can't share knowledge without dumping > on someone? Look in the mirror, dude! > > IMO it's not even worth bringing up the subject > of the destructive emotions here, Vaj. The main > reason is that there was no such teaching in the > TMO. Destructive emotions were not only condoned, > they were written off as "unstressing" and even > praised with infinite repetitions of "Something > good is happening." > > How can you get into it about ways to reduce or > eliminate uncontrollable outbursts of anger (or > jealousy combined with anger, which seems to be > what is mainly going on here on FFL) with people > who have been taught for decades to *expect* > such uncontrollable outbursts on "rounding > courses," and that they were a sign of > "something good happening?" > > And on another level, how can you get into a > productive discussion of the view of such emotions > *as* destructive and poisonous with Westerners > heavily imprinted with Western psychology? It > has taught them that such emotions are normal > and natural, and that expressing them and even > indulging in them is a way to "work them out" > via some sort of catharsis. > > The Buddhist view is exactly opposite. Emotions > are seen as states of attention that "play upon" > the self, not an integral part of that self. > Thus one has a *choice* as to whether to indulge > in them or not, just as one has a choice as to > whether to indulge in random thoughts or "come > back to the mantra." Just as the thoughts are > neither the self nor the Self, so emotions are > neither the self nor the Self. > > In this view, the negative emotions can *never* > be "worked out," because there is an infinite > supply of them; you access that infinite supply > every time you tap into in the state of attention > associated with these emotions and indulge them. > > This concept is *anathema* to those who have the > lifelong habit *of* indulging in the destructive > emotions. They *like* the idea that indulging in > the destructive emotions is "normal," and that > "expressing" them may even be positive. JUST as > they *like* the idea that indulging in getting > trapped in the intellect isn't a way of reinforcing > the ego/self and making it stronger, and thus more > resistant to the enlightenment process. > > All in all, it's great entertainment, if you can > just see it that way... >
