--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Jul 10, 2004, at 8:14 AM, Llundrub wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Jul 9, 2004, at 11:24 PM, Llundrub wrote:
> >
> > > ----That's all you can come back at me with?  TM is secret 
mantra. 
> > The
> > > pearl was thrown before a swine, and now, while you wrestle 
with
> > > Vajravarahi you still don't see her. Fool.  Argue with your 
self.
> > > Noone here is home.
> >
> > Your post was barely worth responding to.
> >
> > While there *is* a mantrayana path in Hinduism, TM ain't it 
dude. Where
> > is the Body as the form of deity,
> >  
> > ------Ones own body is form of the deity.
> >  
> >  
> > the Voice as the seed syllable--the
> > deity of sound and the Mind as symbolic attribute of all 
thinking?
> >  
> > ------Ones own voice is sound of the deity.
> >  
> >  
> >
> > Where is the mandala, refuge and the four initiations?
> >  
> >  
> > ------Ones body is the mandala. Ones awareness is the refuge. 
Four 
> > initiations.  In more elaborate tantras they might have seven 
plus 
> > four times two = fifteen.  You muddle shit together only to 
obfuscate, 
> > not to clarify.
> 
> Whether something clarifies or not depends on who's listening. You 
just 
> don't seem to get it. You've been told this many times on various 
> dharma lists--the ones you haven't been kicked off of or stormed 
out of 
> in anger. Do some practice, then maybe you'll get if you can let 
go of 
> all these preconceptions and projections. Honestly, that's the 
nicest 
> thing I can say to you right now.
> 
> >  This is merely egoism Dude.
> 
> Yes, your above attempt at an explanation is just that IMO--ego.
> 
> > They don't exist in TM--nor do many of the other characteristics 
of
> > secret mantra.
> >  
> >  
> > ---------For all your fanatical esotericism you never seem to 
get 
> > respect, and that's for one reason, nothing you say smacks of 
truth or 
> > realization.
> 
> What you "think" and what's really going on are obviously two 
different 
> things. You haven't a clue.
> 
> You also have no idea what my realizations are or what has 
transpired 
> in years of retreat. The reason you have no idea is because I do 
not 
> bandy them about here or there like prizes. I realize that is the 
> fashion, but I ain't wearing it.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Vaj>>>>


Lol, the once brothers in arms Bhuddhists on the board are now at 
each other's throats....Is this a sign of Sat Yug?




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