--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride" <bill.hicks.all.a.r...@...> wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:54 PM, scienceofabundance > > > > Well, all I can say is that many of these programs were known > > only to an inner circle, and obviously you only picked up on > > some of the mere appearance of homophobia in the TMO. > > If you aren't aware, many women (at least the one's I've > known, in a Biblical sense) hate gays and spew their venom > in the presence of the guy they're dating. I've wondered > where the hate comes from. Competition? > Does a straight woman actually believe that if she weren't > around her date would be hunting down gay guys for sex and > companionship?
Assuming that what you say is actually true, and you're not just having another psychotic episode, I have to assume that the women you encountered were using their "gaydar" and picking up on signals from you and then seeing whether you'd overreact to such language. As someone who has been (somewhat correctly) described here as a pussy hound, and thus who has spent far too much time around women, I have never heard a single woman -- in the TMO or outside it -- rag on gay men. Ever. Then again, I could be completely wrong about this w.r.t. the "latter-day TMO" because of the dates of my TM experience. I bailed on the TMO back in 1978 or so, when it became obvious that it was turning into something I no longer wished to be part of. Part *of* that "something else" was an increase in nosiness and sexual prudery and artificiality. The tales told last night of Cobb Mountain certainly don't strike a resonance with me, but that's possibly because I was last there in 1976 or so. At that time, on a large ATR course, it was really a fun place in many respects, including sexually, but almost entirely heterosexually. I would estimate that pretty much everyone on the course (none of us married in those days) who felt like getting laid did so, as often as we wanted. I know I sure did. Perhaps the attitudes you describe in TMO women above are the result of all the men who actually liked sex and weren't about to be intimidated into not having it LEAVING the TMO and being replaced with male "role models" like the pasty-faced, pencil-necked-geeks who later joined Purushaback Mountain and became Rajas in sexless marriages. :-) I know that it was definitely a topic of conversation in the L.A. Center during the mid-70s among the women. Even after I left the TMO, for a few years I was still dating women who were On The Program TMers and TM teachers. One of the reasons was that they were attrac- tive and nice people, of course. But another reason was that they were so GRATEFUL to find a guy whom they could meditate with and then get it on with. They felt that they could no longer do that within the confines of the TMO. So for the women I was going out with, it was either "Date non-meditators for the sex and hope that we can convert them to meditating" or "Date Off The Program ex-TM teachers for the sex and hope that someday they'll see the error of their ways and come running back to the Highest Path." The "hope" clause of neither approach never seemed to work out for them, but at least they were able to get their rocks off from time to time. The ones who tried to stay within the confines of the TMO never did. Gay sex, straight sex...that's not the issue. The issue as I see it is that the TMO, being a reflection of one man (Maharishi) and his not-terribly-realistic- and-horribly-conflicted-notions about sex, was afraid of sex, period. At least sex "out in the open." The TMO model when I left the organization was already starting to shift towards "Don't ask, don't tell," with people still *having* sex, but being terrified of doing so openly. Call me unevolved, but I much preferred the earlier days, in which Maharishi's conflicted notions about sex hadn't yet become the "standard."
