--- In [email protected], t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> > > See, we maybe conditioned to stop the car when the traffic 
lights 
> > turn
> > > red. You can provisionally accept it, validate it as true, 
based on
> > > observation etc. The conditioning is that you connect two 
facts, the
> > > red traffic lights, and the need to stop the car.
> > 
> > But that's a different type of conditioning;
> > that's more like Pavlov's dogs.  I was talking
> > (and thought you were talking) about becoming
> > convinced that something is true.
> 
> But its all connected. You  experience something, and then you are
> being told something about that experience. (Or are otherwise no 
> need for all the lectures!) What you know, reinforces the 
> experience in a certain way. Then the reinforced experience 
> reinforces your belief about it again. You cannot isolate the two.

It seems terribly important *to* the conditioned ego
to believe that it hasn't been conditioned, that it
has thought up (or "verified") all these concepts
that have been taught to it on its own.  The bottom
line, however, is that it rarely, if ever, deviates
from the concepts taught to it.  And also feels the
compulsion to argue their obvious "truth" with others.
 
Unc






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