--- off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In [email protected], "authfriend"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], Peter
> Sutphen 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > In the video Kai Druhl comes across as a
> christian
> > > > fundamentalist
> > > > nut.
> > > > You can almost hear the reporter cringing, as
> Kai
> > > > says that "TM
> > > > prevents the experience of Jesus".
> > > > 
> > > > What a nut.
> > > 
> > > I don't think he's a nut at all. I completely
> > > understand the point he's making. It's a subtle
> > > conflict between the approaches of bhakti and
> gyana. A
> > > bhakti surrenders to God. A gyani takes on the
> > > responsibility of his own evolution through the
> > > practice of techniques and life-style changes.
> Only at
> > > the end of the path does a gyani finally
> transcend his
> > > bondage into God, while a bhakti starts with
> this
> > > assumption and approach.
> > 
> > The practice of TM doesn't involve surrendering
> > to God right from the start??
> > 
> > Isn't that what you're doing every time you go
> > back to the mantra?  Or at least every time you
> > transcend?
> > 
> > That's how I think of TM, at any rate, as a
> > systematic process of surrender to the
> > Ultimate.>>
> 
> Technically, yes. 
> However, the terminology means  different things. 
> Jesus is considered by born again Christians to be
> an external 
> entity to which you must ask for forgiveness for
> your sins. He will 
> come back in human form one day (soon)and kill all
> the sinners and 
> non-christians, and place the  christians  in heaven
> (but only the 
> arm waving ones). Everyone else will be burned and
> tortured in hell 
> pain for eternity.
> 
> Do you see the difference?

Oh silly details, Off! 



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